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Here is a question that I got from a friend on Facebook.

If the letters to your friend Timothy ARE in fact from God, then that means that the prophecies in those letters MUST happen.....right? Since prophecy from our God is 100% accurate...

The reason I ask is because I have known sooooo many people who claim to have been given a message or revelation from God....and they boldly predict events to come....but they end up being wrong. (Which means either the one who gave them the message is a lier, or they faked the whole thing.)

Lets always discern what we hear and read. A huge event of the end times is people falling away.

Here is a reply, that I punched out on my crusty old laptop ...

Hi there.

There is always tension when a prophet issues something from God. On the one hand, one should not despise prophecies. On the other hand, one should pay attention to cry false and to shun a corrupt source if and when their words show to be untrue. So, the tension is in looking at both the current word and all the words as a whole.

It gets easier once you find a fault, because you no longer have to deal with the source. One fault or error in what a prophet states and they are no longer to ever be viewed as God's messenger again.

It is difficult when someone has yet to be seen as false, because even though confidence is gained by the certainty and accuracy of their prophecies, one cannot use that confidence to rubber-stamp approval on any future prophecies or to turn a blind eye to what was said even from the beginning. All of it as a whole and every detain therein should be constantly re-examined and shown to be true. It should be always shown to be spotless in any examination or it should be treated as no better than the book of mormon or other demonstrably erroneous so-called prophecies.

I believe Timothy is true and is receiving from God. Nevertheless, I am always looking for new ways to nail down what is said and keep track of it with the rigor that it deserves. Does this mean that I am still skeptical? Well, I must admit that I certainly do believe it is authentic, but that does not give me the escape to treat the Words lightly or to quit testing them.

God speaks to me, not like Timothy, but in the Voice within. And even though it is from Him, I don't always hear it right and want Him to reaffirm His words over and over until I understand clearly. This going over and over would apply even more to any voice from God outside of my heart claiming to be from God.

I have spreadsheets, with predictions in the Letters, and links back to when (the date of origin) they were issued and the latest possible fulfillment thereof. When Timothy saw what I was doing, and making with the spreadsheets, he offered to help and has added to the list ... even from among his private letters (as opposed to the published letters on the site and pdf.)

I wish there were more people that took this approach to the integrity of what Timothy is delivering, but I don't know of anyone else that is doing it. Just what I am doing with Timothy's help as far as I am aware.

Anyway, you are right to say that one falsehood demolishes the ministry of any prophet. When I first set out to read the Letters, I was looking for that one falsehood. Now, several years later, I still am on the lookout, even though I stand convinced of them.

So, my advice to you would be to never take my word for it or anyone else's. Examine and test things for yourself with much prayer and much going over and over in prayer to see if you are really hearing right and really giving the situation the due gravity that it deserves.

This is not a time for herd mentality and just going along with the crowd, letting them decide things for you. The crowd is notoriously led astray, and prone to error. This is a time for study and prayer and to live with integrity before the Lord ... for when we are called to account for this life, the crowd will not be standing next to us as a defense if we get things wrong. We each will stand before Him and He is able to make us stand. Therefore, with stamina and longsuffering, let us be diligent with what is before us, so that on that day we will have no regrets.

Ripening for the harvest,
Trent

If I had a mind to brag a little, I could probably do it without looking ridiculous, and I'd still be speaking plain truth all the way. But I'll spare you. I don't want anyone imagining me as anything other than the fool you'd encounter if you saw me on the street or heard me talk. Because of the extravagance of those revelations, and so I wouldn't get a big head, I was given the gift of a handicap to keep me in constant touch with my limitations. Satan's angel did his best to get me down; what he in fact did was push me to my knees. No danger then of walking around high and mighty!

At first I didn't think of it as a gift, and begged God to remove it. Three times I did that, and then he told me, My grace is enough; it's all you need. My strength comes into its own in your weakness. Once I heard that, I was glad to let it happen. I quit focusing on the handicap and began appreciating the gift. It was a case of Christ's strength moving in on my weakness.

Now I take limitations in stride, and with good cheer, these limitations that cut me down to size - abuse, accidents, opposition, bad breaks. I just let Christ take over! And so the weaker I get, the stronger I become.

Truly, God blesses with wealth and plenty ... even in abundance. One would be ignorant of a great amount of scripture not to see that.
My point is that is fine, but I don't care. I just don't lust after it. He gives and takes away. Amen. So be it. Come what may.

You may have heard this story, but I'll tell it anyway:

A king in great delight scattered his most precious possessions in the courtyard, and announced that it is out of love for his subjects that they could come into his courtyard and behold these marvels and treasures. Seeing the crowd and filled with charity, the king announces to all that came, "My beloved," he said, "look around and whatever catches your eye that your heart might desire ... anything in the courtyard ... wrap your arms around it and it shall be yours."

You can imagine how one after another picked beautiful statue and golden sculptures with gladness and the king gave with gladness. However, one boy puzzled and pondered these things.

"Please don't be angry," he said to the king, "Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Of course."

"Really? Have you thought about what this really means?" the boy continued, "I can put my arms around anything in the courtyard and it will belong to me?"

"Try me right now. Test me, my child" said the king with authority, "whatever your heart desires will be yours if you wrap your arms around it."

And with that, the boy fell to his knees and with tears the boy clutched the feet of the king. Now, with greater tears the king said loudly, "You, my child, are wiser than all the rest. You have chosen wisely for it is in possessing me that you possess all I have."

You see?

Beloved, I know God is good and gives to us out of His abundance ... I just don't care. I'm not interested, and I'll happily go without what others have. I have enough of those things. I just want the King.

Can anyone offer Him? Is anyone promoting Him and lifting up Him? What programs and systems are there out there for people like me that want only Him?

Sure, I get it ... some people want the gifts and the treasure. Fine. I understand. My interest is in the Giver. That's just me.

We all get to choose, beloved. What our heart desires will be given. Our heart is revealed through choice and God fixes our choice for us whether we choose Him or the alternative.

Remember the disciples? One asked if they could go and say goodbye to loved ones first. Jesus said to him: "No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." He chose. Jesus fixed his decision for him.

Still other disciples asked to sit at the Lord's right and left hand, and were asked by Jesus if they could drink from the cup that the Lord would drink from. They said to Him, "We are able." He said to them, "My cup you shall drink;..."

Once again, they chose, and the Lord fixed their choice for them, making it real and honoring their decision. And know this, these two disciples did indeed drink from His cup, as they, the sons of Zebedee, were brutally executed for their faith.

Choice. There is lots of it. We choose. God honors and settles our choices. Among the choices are wealth and health and so on. A heart is revealed by choosing those gifts. But for me the best choice is none of those things. I've experienced wealth, and I've experienced something better.

My heart is not into those things. If all those things are "added to me" for seeking Him first, then so be it. If they are not and I am denied claim all the blessings in this life that are promised to those that seek Him first ... then I truly hope that I never notice while enraptured by His companionship.

The requisite for resurrection power is the marks of death. In knowing more about the Lord, I can take each step He has prepared for me, even those that include suffering and discomfort, if needs be. There are things to learn in discomfort that cannot be learned in comfort. We cannot know the peace He provides without turmoil. We cannot expect to learn of deliverance if we are always in safety. We learn through contrasts, and I welcome it.

Here is a head-scratcher for you ... where was Jerusalem before the first day? I'll give you a hint, there are many earthly towns named after the metacosmic Jerusalem, even one of them in New York State, USA ... even one town in Israel. The heavenly Jerusalem that I am talking about is not a part of this cosmos. It is beyond the seven days of creation, and even beyond this universe.

Revelation 21
... the former sky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea. And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ...
Revelation 3:12
... the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which descends from My God out of heaven, and My own new name.

I understand our fascination with the material cosmos, I really do. It is easy to think of something real only in terms with how we can see, touch, taste, or smell it.

When a physical blade scraps through our physical skin, we hurt. We are flooded by our senses that are only in tune with the material (and blind to spritual reality), and so it calls to us with the deception of true substance and reality, when it is nothing more than a figment of time in constant flux ... revealing its identity as transitory and fading. That physical blade, was space dust, then magma, then ore, then a fender, then a can, then a bullet, then a brake-pad, and finally made into a blade. What will it be 100 years from now? 1000 years from now? Its identity is only founded on the figment of temporal illusion. In other words, its identity changes over and over throughout time. When this planet is enveloped by the next supernova, or a blackhole churns this corner of the galaxy again, that physical blade, that seemed so real ... will cease to impress from the grand scope of time. Even less impressive is the creation, with revelation of the Eternal.

Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.

The deluge of sensitory input through our five senses, convinces us that only what is physical is what is real. Our minds are given over to materialism, to the point that we begin to think of God's Spirit as something that is less than what is physically apparent. Our materialistic minds lend Spirit less credit as a substance than a faint vapor. Only because it is not seen, nor felt, not touched, nor tasted. Spirit is merely subtle to our senses, it is completely invisible to us ... inaudible ... and immaterial. Yet the mystery is that it is far more substantial than anything that is visible, material, or audible. The Great I AM is that He is that He is. And the creation simply comes and goes ...

So, understand that I can't go along with theology that deminishes God's promises to something as trivial and faint to me as a merely physical material hope and promise, something for our eyes to behold, and hands can touch, and our nose can smell. To me that would tarnish the surpassing luster of what I know of Spirit that is far surpassing what is detected by our physical senses. I view those notions as materialisticly pandering, and carnal invention, and spiritually blind.

2 Corinthians 4:18
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

1 Corinthians 2:7-11
No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"— but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.

If an idea of the Kingdom is what I can see with my eyes (like a physical city on a physical planet) then why would I want to gaze at something that cheap and temporary? What is "revealed to me by His Spirit" are things that "eyes cannot see," "nor ears hear," "nor minds conceived." The glory that I am destined for is "before time began" ... even Eternal Life - God's own Life.

Jerusalem, Israel as a residential town, seen with physical eyes, yet it is perisible and transitory, not eternal and absolute as God's Kingdom. The "heavenly Jerusalem" where my hope lies does not have a population of a million, nor billion, nor trillion. The population is 1, for it is the "City of God" and the glory of the nations will be brought into it.

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TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com. > Volume 3. > A Letter Regarding Submissiveness in Marriage.

11/23/05 - From Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear.

Thus says the Lord to His people, who abide in marriage as they should:

As I have given up of My body for all those I love, even unto death, likewise should all those, who love one another, love them as I have loved you. In all ways did I submit unto My bride, which is also My body, even unto the relinquishing of My power over her, nor did I judge My bride. Because of this, she has become My bride. In the same manner, she must give of herself unto Me to make the union complete and everlasting. The Father has given her hand to Me, and I have called unto her, saying, “How I long to gather you into My arms, and love you as My own, and make you My bride. Come and see...I have already prepared a place for you. Become My virgin and accept these robes of white, and walk in them and wear them well, so we can walk together in the Garden, forever and ever.”

Now listen with ears open: As I have done, do likewise, for any bride joined must be cleansed and made fit for her husband. Also, all earthly husbands must also become clean, lest your holy union be unclean. The Father gave you marriage, by which you come together as one, in His name.

So then, when there is division or separation, how then can two come together, as one in the flesh, when a division in spirit remains? I have told you already, and you also know within your hearts, that all those in marriage must first come together in spiritual intimacy, closer than flesh. Then can you fulfill this closeness through that which is fleshly. This is also a gift from the Father and should be treated as such, according to how He has commanded you and how you should receive it and experience it.

Those in marriage can reach new heights of ecstasy through the unification of flesh. Only by this union, being that which is a completion, or a finishing, of love’s desire that you become completely one, because you had first become one in the Spirit, with all thankfulness to God for bringing you together in His name, under His commandments.

One can not give into complete abandonment of oneself, melding into the love of another, unless first absolute trust is established. Trust is earned, not given. So all those, who first trust in God because of what He has done by way of Me, have placed the Cornerstone in their marriage...and from this Foundation can all new and shining houses be built, and those that already exist be strengthened.

When one of you two has an obstacle or stumbling block, then you both have fallen; and as two together, as one, must all these adversities be overcome. All those, who overcome together in Me, will receive even greater things than these which they now think will lead them into happiness. As We, the Father and the Son, are long-suffering, so then shall you be...love is patient.

Remember that any rent, which is not quickly mended, is made worse with time, further tearing away from the fabric of your marriage. Mend all rents speedily, and with a greater thread, and with more tender hands than in the past.

As all things are made new in Me,
so then, all those, who believe in Me,
must be remade in My image, walking in My ways...

so goes restoration in marriage...

your marriage of old must die
and be forgotten through forgiveness,
and be completely remade on a new foundation...

This is a process, My beloved little ones.

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10/28/04 - From God the Father, A Letter Given to Timothy - For Timothy and His Wife, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear.

God the Father:

When lying together, remember the decrees of God concerning these things of sex and intimacy:

You shall not lie with another outside of marriage...with your spouse only shall you lie.
Even sex before marriage, called fornication, is adultery.

You shall not think of others, but your spouse only, nor of unnatural acts.

You shall not lie with your wife during her monthly shedding of blood.

You shall not partake in sodomy.

You shall not behold others in sin (pornography) with your eyes. To do so is to sin with them.

No man or woman, in all creation, shall lie with another of their same gender. This is abomination in the eyes of the Most High and full of blasphemy! I gave unto man, by Adam, woman. From his side did I form her, and he who was one became two, and they two became one again in marriage...two of one flesh...man and woman. I saw that it was very good.

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Excerpt from: Volume 6. > Understand Love, Know Forgiveness...Partake of the Whole Fruit of the Spirit, and Make It Part of You.

[Jesus speaking:] Here is wisdom: Following one’s desire for love is not sin, but giving into temptation, which is against the commandments of God, is sin, and will only lead to pain. Physical love is reserved unto marriage as a special gift, whose outcome leads to great and lasting depths of love in marriage, bringing forth more gifts from God in the form of your children, who are the fulfillment of that love, being equally you and your husband in them. Oh. what joy to those, who have the blessing of children. Even those who have not conceived, or were not able, who have complete faith in Me, shall receive many children in My Kingdom to come. To all children is the Kingdom assured.

Blessed are they, who bless the name of the Lord;
and happy are those, who have His name perpetually on their lips....
life without end to all those, who call on the name of the Lord,
forever striving to walk in His ways and keep His commandments,
fully partaking of the fruit of the Spirit.

My Kingdom is coming...all My sparrows shall fly to Me. Amen.

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I created a flickr photostream to house and display charts and graphs of the markers and signs indicating the end of the age. Please send me other graphics if you find some to be added to my stream.

Thanks,
Trent

PreTribRAPTURE - Dion Hyden - myspace.com
Date: Jun 11, 2009 10:37 AM
Subject: Is baptism necessary for salvation?
Body: http://www.rbc.org/questionsDetail.aspx?id=46078

Is baptism necessary for salvation?
While baptism is an important act of obedience, it isn't necessary for salvation. The only requirement for salvation is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ( John 1:12-13; 3:16-18; 6:28-29 ; Ephesians 2:8-9 ). In the first century, baptism always followed immediately as the first step of obedience, so much so that it is often mentioned alongside of faith as part of the "package" that brought a person into the body of Christ ( Matthew 28:19 ; Mark 16:16 ; Acts 2:38 ). However, passages like John 1:12-13 , Romans 3:21-31, 4:1-12, 5:1 , and Ephesians 2:8-9 make it clear that it is God's grace through faith alone that bring salvation.

The misunderstanding by those who teach that baptism is necessary for salvation stems in part from a failure to recognize that the New Testament was written by people who were familiar enough with baptism to understand that it was the normal means of expressing conversion. In that context, early Christians would be less likely than ourselves to misunderstand the symbolism in the apostle Paul's words:

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life (Romans 6:3-4).

He could use the expressions "baptized into Christ," "baptized into His death," and "buried with Him through baptism into death" with the confidence that his readers would realize that he was using the language of symbolism. Obviously baptism doesn't cause us to die physically with Christ or to be buried in the tomb where His body was placed. It expresses our desire to live a victorious Christian life and symbolizes our identification with Jesus Christ through faith, by which we share in the benefits of all He did for us.

We recognize symbolism, for example, in the wedding ring. A ring doesn't physically cause unending love and devotion, it symbolizes these qualities. Likewise, wearing a gold band doesn't make the wearer a faithful spouse. Its symbolism is an outward expression of an inward reality and can be a helpful reminder of fidelity.

Verse after verse in the Scriptures, both in the Old and New Testaments, clearly affirm salvation by grace through faith alone. Abraham, David, Moses, Daniel, and a host of Old Testament people were never baptized and yet are heroes of the faith, heirs of salvation. The dying thief who repented was promised companionship with Jesus in Paradise even though he died without baptism ( Luke 23:43 ). If we interpret the few passages that seem to make baptism a requirement for salvation in the light of the hundreds that declare salvation is by faith alone and the many that clearly make baptism a symbol, we will find them in perfect harmony with the great body of biblical truth.

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Jesus is NOT the answer. I don't care how many bumper-stickers say otherwise.
Jesus IS the WAY. Let me explain the difference.

For the sake of discussion, I asked my sister-in-law (who is from Spain) to translate a sentence for me from English into Spanish. Here is her answer: "Spanish spanish spanish-spanish, spanish spanish spanish spanish spanish spanish."

She made spanish into the ANSWER of her translation, instead of the WAY of her translation.

(again for the sake of discussion) I asked a friend mathematician to handle these three problems. Here is his answer: "3X2 = mathematics ... 5 / 4 = mathematics ... 185 - 667 = mathematics."

He was about as helpful as my sister-in-law, don't you think? See the chaos that can happen when someone mistakes the WAY for the ANSWER?

In the first case Spanish was the WAY she was supposed to derive the answer, and in the second example mathematics is the WAY that he was going to handle the questions ... but they inserted the WAY AS the answer.

This is absurd, no? And it is just as absurd to say that Jesus is the ANSWER, when He is the WAY.

The ANSWER always is concerned with "what" ... but it is a far greater thing to know the WAY, because every WAY is concerned with "HOW." If you know HOW, or then you have hope no matter what unforeseen thing comes against you.

Jesus is the HOW to handle the unforeseen things.

Just think about knowing HOW to speak Spanish opens up infinite ways to communicate something. Just think about knowing HOW to use mathematics can make limitless questions (not just the ones that you have memorized) answerable. Jesus, likewise, is the WAY, and we thus know HOW to live.

Creation's ultimate purpose is to glorify God. Jesus is the WAY.for me, a part of the creation, to glorify God. Without the WAY, then I am doomed to fall short of the glory of God. I cannot glorify God on my own, apart from Him I can do absolutely NOTHING, but continue in slavery to sin.

The WAY is Jesus. He is HOW.

I may never know what I should have done in the past, but I know HOW I should have done it ... The Way, before, was Jesus. I should have exchanged my inabilities for His ability.

I may never know what I should do tomorrow, but when I get there ... the highest calling for me is that Jesus be the WAY, the actual HOW, it gets done ... not by my might, nor by my power, but by His Spirit, the Spirit of the Lord Jesus.

And as for right NOW, I won't know the answer for what I should do to glorify God, but if I find the WAY, Jesus, then He will supply the answer, even in this very moment.

To every thing that we are so strong as to come up with the answer, we consider that Jesus is irrelevant. We say that we can handle this one, and we call on Him later, if we need Him. Why? We skip the Way. Thus, the answer that we come up with on our own is a guess in the dark. Clearly we have lost our way, without Jesus. And without Jesus, we only think that we know the answer, but we don't.

So, I say that for as many things that I think that I know HOW to handle, it is exactly those things of which I have yet to repent. Why? Because Jesus is the WAY ... He deals with HOW. And by His Spirit, all things are possible.

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Whenever a truth, is THE Truth, it is an untruth.

When I get ahold of the Way, then He leads me to all the answers. Jesus is the Way, and every other way, isn't the Way.

I don't have all the answers. Infact, I don't believe that Jesus is the answer. Jesus is the way to all the answers.

When you teach mathmatics, you don't teach the answers. Math instructors teach the way to the answers, and once a student has the way, then they won't ever lack an answer.

I'll say alot of things that are just plain wrong, but what did you expect? I am not the answer-man. Those things that I say, that make you want to question everything that I previously said is a wake up call to you that I don't have the Truth in a doctrinally packaged form.

Those wake-up calls in your life are given to keep your eyes on Christ, instead of men.

 

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TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com > Volume 6 > From Betrayal to Victory

6/2/09 From Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, YahShua the Messiah -
A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

It has come up before Me among My flocks, this question, and now of your wife also. For your sake, Timothy, I shall answer, for you came and humbled yourself before Me, sincerely seeking to hear, even if it means your correction... Not at all doubting the word of your brothers in the Scriptures of Truth, nor that Word in the Volumes, which reveals My glory according to that gift which was seemingly rejected... Then, once again, received by repentance, sincere remorse, proven also in action.

So then, My beloved lambs, indeed you remain babes and yet lack understanding. Nor can you see past that wall you have built up in yourselves, which yet blocks your vision... Tear it down, so you may see! Soften your forehead, and perk up your ears, and wipe your eyes... See clearly and hear My Word.

Before you in the Scriptures, you see the man called Judas who betrayed the Son of Life unto death... Who, by receiving the bribe, revealed the Son of Man’s location, even leading His accusers to Him, not realizing that each step taken was bringing him that much closer to destruction by his own hand, and that out of extreme remorse for what he had done... Only realized because of My spirit which had returned, whereby his walk with satan had ended... Where he again took the money, the price for which I had been weighed, and cast it down at the feet of the guilty... Who then took the money and bought the Potter’s Field, as it is written, the Field of Blood, where Judas also hung himself.
Therefore, Judas could not buy a field with the money he did not own, nor did it enter his mind. Rather those, with evil and hardened hearts, bought the field to bury those they saw as unworthy in their eyes... Whereby a sign was made and fulfilled by Judas, written in his own blood, splattering it that no man may ever be buried there. And so it remains to this day... the desolate Field of Blood.

And of Judas, he shall be with Me in paradise. Do not speak to the contrary, lest I leave you upon the earth at the Last Day, for the blaspheming of the Spirit and My words...

For I forgive all who come back to Me,
Even that one sheep in ninety-nine who was given Me and went astray...
Even that one among twelve shall be returned to Me.

For I am the Lord...

And of all those the Father has given Me, I shall lose not one.

Therefore, oh wicked and hard-hearted sheep, do you really know Me?... And of that one sin, which cannot be forgiven, of which Judas did not commit? For though he died before Me, his sins I also bore, even crucifying them upon the tree in My own body.

All those who repent, with sincere remorse in their hearts, are saved...
For I am the One that makes it possible for them to do so.

And though some have fallen asleep in death,
While others are destroyed by death, even at their own hand,
I ask you, does death have the last word?!...

By NO means...
For I shall raise them up at the Last Day!

For I have granted them the victory,
Even as I am the Victory, being the First Fruits from death...
And those given Me shall likewise be first.

And those, who think of themselves as first and well-deserving,
While condemning others in their perverse judgments of the heart and mind,
Never coming into the true knowledge of who I am...
They shall be last.

That, which is accomplished in Me, is, and was, and is coming quickly...

Even from the foundation of the world, it was finished and completed,
For I had overcome the world from the beginning...

ALL is Mine.

And this is the will of the One who sent Me:
That I should not lose any of all those He has given Me
But should raise them up on the Last Day. ~ John 6:39

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Is Jesus God or the Son of God?

God's being must be removed for anything else to exist. So in the beginning we have a formless void. Of what is it void? It is void of Eternity for the creation is temporal (within time.) It is void of infinity also, thus God could form finite - multiple entities within it, while He remained beyond the creation ... as it were "moving on the waters." I give this background, because most people are predisposed to view the cosmos as the substance and God's being as a faint or sortof minimal fill?in?the?blank whatever. But, the deep revelation is that God is the only stable and formidable substance that is unchanged and persistent, and He compressed His being to remove Himself from the realm wherein we are created and live. But, just as it began; it will end. This is for only a season, and the collapse draws ever closer to the "last day."

So, there is a natural gulf between man and God of impossible dimension ... there is no compatibility between finite and infinite. There is no natural way for Eternal and temporal to be intimate ... and thus God is to us - a Consuming Fire.

Man wants to be intimate with the Creator, and He with us, so God sends an umbilical cord to a little box- the ark. And later He sends it to a little room - the Temple's "Holy of Holies." But, that did not really provide any kind of intimacy. Only a priest would get to interface after a ritual of painstaking detail to show just how far below we are to God, and then the priest did not have much to report but we are sure that it was all distorted anyway by the priest's organic intellect. Anyway, this is all leading up to God's intention to send that umbilical cord to Mary's womb. The temple was just an appetizer.

Down the umbilical cord travels the Spirit of God and at the end we find a Man. That man was born in Bethlehem - Jesus Christ - God with us.

So, Jesus (while never being less then God) decided to behave as never more then man. Why? He came here to reconcile the infinite nature of God and the finite nature of the souls of men - to make peace between He and us. But, also because if He chose to behave like God, then that would not teach us anything. We have no hope to behave like God, thus He behaves like man - He prays to the Father, and He receives instruction from the Father to obey, and He even says, "I always do what is pleasing to the Father." Pretty cool, eh?

John 8:23
But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

Now, the Christ is not a creature formed out of the void of the cosmos. He is from above. Jesus is the ONLY Begotton. He descended directly from beyond, from infinity, from eternity ... from the Father. And He reconciles us by offering us that life from beyond - eternal life. But, there is a great price to pay for reconciling our nature with His, and that price is demonstrated at the cross.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.
Not much of a trade: our ungodliness for His Godliness, but the swap was made. and it has brought peace to those that are born from the void, as we now can be born of the Spirit - even the Spirit of God, the same Spirit that animates the Son of God, and that is eternally present beyond the creation with the Father.

It is because Christ is the very substance of the being of God that we can partake of Him to have eternal life. Now, God's umbilical cord, Christ ... has umbilical cords to men, of which I am one of the men that has agreed to have this done unto me. Now I have eternal life, which is the same life that is in Christ as I am attached to Him, and His life is the same life as the Father as He is attached to Him. Pretty cool, eh? ... and I did none of this. Christ did it all. All I had to do is agree to have it done to me.

All anyone has to do is invite, yet not all are willing to do so. (not that "the willing" have anything to boast about.)

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We don't work FOR salvation.
We work FROM salvation.

So, our good works do not secure a change in enternal destiny.
RATHER, our change in eternal destiny changes us into fit vessels for good works that He has prepared for us to do.

We work because we are already saved, and by virtue of this gift and the deposit within by which all of the divine attributes are now being mingled and infused into our innermost beings ... we awaken to new desires and new wants.

Tit 2:14
[Christ] gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous for good works.

These wants are "strange" to us, and our new desires appear "strange" to the world. For "strange" means that it is come from beyond this world.

I am vexed by my faithlessness. I want to be rid of sin (some sins more then others.) And I don't know of a single thing that I have ever done that lead me to these desires. I don't credit bible-study, greek-parsing of scripture, quiet-time, prayer-warrior ... nothing! It must be something that GOD is doing in me that is the genesis for this soul in this ape-suit to be so concerned with the things of God and His kingdom.

So join me, if it suits you to, and lets encourage each others growth in this realization of God's Kingdom, and its manifestation in our wants and our works. And as this occurs we can both delight and give praise and honor to Whom it is deserved, for never once have we ever been able to produce such fruit. We bear (not produce) the fruit of the Vine.

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_{by Trent - from Dec 05}

"Scripture statements concerning the nature of God...affirms His unity....But the Scripture as plainly affirms the distinction of persons in the Godhead. 'Unity in plurality and plurality in unity' is the great assertion here...it must not be forgotten or denied, that there are continually exhibited within [the Bible's] pages, in bold relief, truths seemingly opposed to each other...The twofoldness of truth as offered to our view in Holy Writ, is one strong argument of its not being the work of man. It is the glory of man's intellect to produce ONENESS. ..." (Robert Govett, "The Twofoldness of Divine Truth," Norwich, 1892)

Most church-goers seem to think that salvation is getting forgiven, and that is the extent of it.

"God forgives people so that they get to go to heaven even though He would otherwise be really mad that they sinned."
I would estimate that at least 8 out of 10 church-goers would say something similar, wouldn't you?

I look at getting forgiven as just an appetizer. Reconciliation doesn't really feed anybody's hungry soul. One can be forgiven and reconciled but not really saved. In fact, everyone is reconciled though many have been saved of nothing. Even our famous John 3:16 shows that salvation isn't a clean and dirty issue, but a life and death issue.

If we have died of cancer and someone finds the cure, what good is it to us? Sure, they could administer the cure to us, but what good is that to a corpse?

Our cancer is sin and the wage of sin is death. So what good is it if someone comes along and rids us of what killed us? Are we not still dead?

Provided that we have died of cancer and someone finds a way to revive us, but has no cure for cancer, then why even bother reviving us? Take a dead cancer victim and give them life, while they still have cancer, and they will shortly die again. Perhaps immediately die again.

Through salvation we are taken from death to life, does not come without the cure for what killed us to begin with. In fact our remedy is really two-fold. Thus it is written:

Romans 5:10
"For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!"

I am putting the emphasis on the part of the equation that scripture emphasizes - salvation by His Life!

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_{by Trent - from Dec 2005}
What motivation do we have to witness? Should we set out to change anyone?

If you are ever compelled to say something, then say exactly that, by the Spirit, and with the words that He gave you to say.

If the Spirit tells you to instruct the dean of students of a seminary then march into their office and instruct them! If the Spirit tells you to hush while some ignoramus is begging you to tell them the gospel, then hush!

If the Spirit tells you to give everything that you own to somebody that is dripping with gold, then immediately give it away. If the Spirit tells you to withhold spare-change from someone who is dying of starvation then don't you give them a penny.

Start living according to the Spirit. Start walking by the Spirit, and abandon all of your thoughts and plans.

You think that everyone needs to know what you know? Well, that might be, but the need is not the call. Wait on the call, and when you do this you will be as a fisher of men. Stop deciding when to cast your net all day and hear one word from the Master ... and watch what happens, with such feeble effort applied to His specific call to action. Your boat will not be able to bring ashore all that will be accomplished in simple trusting obedience.

Right now all evangelical thrusts of mainstream Christianity have all lost their way. They are all about how man can be instructed by their carnal mind, hoping and planning to bring in a harvest through calculated resource management and supervision. That is mere training on how to walk according to the flesh, not according to the Spirit. Lets forever repent of any lonely un-holy ambitions and acts of devotion that have no origination from the Spirit. That stuff is just sinning and calling it good. It is wood, hay and stubble, and just exhausting ourself in the meantime with nothing to show for it.

I witness to reality on this blog, but only because it would be more exhausting to hold it within. God has placed this song in my heart, and I am revealing this true-condition as I speak. I don't care it if moves one person closer to God. I don't care if it makes some people go to war with God. What you do with it is your own business. There isn't anything "in it" for me one-way-or-the-other. My satisfaction comes just be getting it off my chest and the relief does not depend on your response.

By the Spirit, I know about and witness to a reality that is revealed to me. Do with it, however you want to. Whether you "amen" or scoff at it, I only want your true condition to be revealed. If nothing else, I only encourage that we be true and lay aside all pretense, even the pretense of ignorance with regard to what has been revealed to us.

Revelation 22:11
"LET him who does wrong continue to do wrong; LET him who is vile continue to be vile; LET him who does right continue to do right; and LET him who is holy continue to be holy."
Revelation 22:10-12 (in Context) Revelation 22
(Whole Chapter)

The more I grow, the more I realize that relationship is the crux of it all.

Often we approach the relationship to God with a systematized forensic understanding of the basis of relationship (ie. the facts of the gospel.) ... but at some point, we begin to realize that the relationship makes true those facts ... not the facts making true the relationship ... and all that stuff, no matter how much we think we have it figured out, is meaningless apart from God, Himself ...

What if there was no Bible (as the past has shown to be the case) and no religion (see Abraham) ... would there not be an essential table set at the heart of man that seats only two? Would there not be a place in the very heart of us to build something of a personal and unique understanding between God and each of us? And wouldn't this fit under the heading of "relationship?"

Then what is all this religious stuff we pile up around this table, so that we can hardly see it?

You are blessed. You are loved. You are building something that religion cannot replace, when it is you and the Lord baring your heart to each other ... crying and shouting, being heard, and understood ...and seeing how the other responds.

I have found the most impressive communication of God's love has come to me after shaking my fist and cursing Him.

This is how we ripen for the harvest ...