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Permalink 03:11:57 pm, Categories: GraceHead teaching, By Trent, 697 words   English (US)

Lessons about Judas' Salvation

A man.
A scoundrel.

Oh how I love Judas. ... or at least my flesh LOVES to think that some people are so evil, that I can judge myself better than them by comparison. Thinking the flattering notion that I am savable, but they are not.

I recently noticed something that challenged my viewpoint about Judas. It is a relief to put to rest the superiority about which my flesh was weighing me down, because the Gospels points to the conclusion that Judas was a sheep.

Before Jesus was betrayed, He prayed this:

Joh 17:12
"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Two main points.

  1. Judas was the son of perdition (which implies destruction).
  2. Judas was given to the Lord Jesus by the Father to keep, along with the others.

It is crucial to my point to keep in mind that the Father gave Judas to the Lord to save, because of the next quote from the Lord:

Joh 6:39
"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10:27-29
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

This leaves us with only two possibilities.

  1. That Judas was eventually given grace to come to the Lord and be His sheep, for it is clear that the Father gave Judas to the Lord for this reason.
  2. Or Jesus lied when He said that He would not loose a single sheep given to Him by the Father.

Of course there is evidence that Judas did indeed come to full repentance by God's grace after his betrayal of the Lord.

Matthew 27:3-4
Judas, the one who betrayed him, realized that Jesus was doomed. Overcome with remorse, he gave back the thirty silver coins to the high priests,
saying, "I've sinned. I've betrayed an innocent man." They said, "What do we care? That's your problem!"

Here are the lessons that I glean from all of this:

  • All of us that claim to be saved, should also be aware that at one time we, too, were sons of perdition.
  • We all need grace, revelation and the call of our Shepherd to respond and show remorse for our sins and to come to Him in all humility.
  • Jesus can save even those that seem to be the least likely of it.
  • It does no good to see people as they are at this moment or to evaluate them by what they have already done. Instead, we should evaluate everyone by the potential that God can make of them, even to see that potential as already fulfilled, because it is a cake-walk for God to bring out their full potential.
  • Stay humble. Do not let yourself be flattered with the notion that you picked up on the Gospel, but that others just aren't bright enough to have picked up upon it. Rather, recognize with thanksgiving for all of God's provision and grace, knowing that we never merit it. It was God's choosing, not our own that landed us with this gift of new birth.
  • Keep hope, but not in yourself. If you are concerned for someone's eternal destiny, all you need to know is TRUST. Trust that God loves them and will bring them along according to the will of the Father, and according to His timing. What good has worry ever done for us about such things? Trust and obey is all we need.

Well, I'm sure there are other lessons. These are the ones that come to mind first of all for me. Perhaps, a thought has come into your mind as you read this. If so, please share a comment below.

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Comment from: Timothy [Member] ·
AMEN Trent!

A question I received with a very similar answer to Trent's:

"I was answering a question from a friend and got unsure of myself so I wanted to ask you...

Can you help me understand something.. In the Letter, "Heresy", it describes Judas Iscariot as being in heaven, but Jesus referred to Judas as being Lost as the Son Of perdition in John 17:12... I am confused here..."

Date: Dec 23, 2008
My answer:

First: Judas is NOT in Heaven now. No one is except those noted in the Bible.
(*plz read my comment here:

Jesus said in the Letter: "For when the day comes that you come to live with these three in the Kingdom"

Here is that Scripture again in the KJV:
John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the *scripture might be fulfilled.

No one presently is destroyed by the second death, which is real and permanent destruction.
However, Judas DID end up destroying himself and was "LOST" to Jesus then. So the Scriptures would be fulfilled...

These Scriptures:
*Ps 41:9 -
Yea, Mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of My bread, hath lifted up his heel against Me.
*Ps 55:12-14
For it is not an enemy who reproaches me; Then I could bear it. Nor is it one who hates me who has exalted himself against me; Then I could hide from him. But it was you, a man my equal, My companion and my acquaintance. We took sweet counsel together, And walked to the house of God in the throng.

It is a little confusing though, but what I do know is what the Lord says is ALWAYS true beyond question, though we often times do not always understand, nor are we able to see His words fulfillment until after the fact when we all say "OOOOHHHH NOW I SEE!"

Also, be careful and take the "perdition" definition with a grain of salt as the dictionary and the concordance are biased toward "hell" and eternal torment and "damnation" as the churches define it, yet not according to the Truth.

Perdition means headed toward destruction("wide is the path") or on the path to destruction, which ALL are until we repented in Christ. Yet notice even in the says DESTRUCTION and then says "hell"... this contradicts itself when embracing the churches doctrine of hell.

However, Judas did indeed destroy himself. But he also did repent. So this does leave some unanswered questions.

However, we know Jesus loved Judas also ("Mine own familiar friend"). And so he was "lost" at that time, even as I was lost for 33yrs of my life.

What people among the churches forget is the POWER of Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness...

"And by no means can one be cast into hell, to suffer day and night without end. This teaching is false and myth, borrowed from the deceiver, who upon all pagan religion was built. Sons of men, know you not what the Scriptures say, that whosoever believes in the Son abides eternally; and whosoever, has not the Son, shall perish and not see life. How, then, shall one say that whether one believes or believes not, both have eternal life? This teaching among the churches is of the church, called mother, and is of her father, the devil, of which she continually emulates, seeking after her own glory, which she claims she had received of Me...she shall be cut in pieces...

So then, that atoned for in My blood is far-reaching, even across all and death, time and space. For even those, before Me, were after Me, and knew the Father...who, knowing Him, knew and saw the time of My coming as from afar off, having already repented before the Father in His name, which is also My name, the name He gave Me...Immanu El.
~ Jesus

What it comes down is this:
1.Would Jesus forgive Judas?
2.Did Jesus' sacrifice include Judas?
3.Did Judas really repent with remorse?

The answer to all three is, YES! Anything less is to deny the power of the cross and Jesus' own words.

(Oh... and should we even talk about Paul and the "son of perdition" he was until he repented?)

Answer to Question #1. Matthew 18:21-22
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" 22 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Answer to Question #2. (Tons for this one, but here are 4 examples)
1Jo 1:9 -
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jo 2:2 -
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Romans 5:8-9
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

So then, that atoned for in My blood is far-reaching, even across all and death, time and space. For even those, before Me, were after Me, and knew the Father...who, knowing Him, knew and saw the time of My coming as from afar off, having already repented before the Father in His name, which is also My name, the name He gave Me...Immanu El.
~ Jesus

Answer to Question #3."And yes, there is forgiveness for those who ask in faith, with remorse, having total acceptance of My love...forgiveness always. ..." ~ Jesus

"If one comes before Me, in all repentance and truth, with sincere remorse in their hearts, these shall surely be born again." ~ Jesus

- Did Judas repent with true remorse?

"Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, REPENTED HIMSELF, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders". Matthew 27:3

Mt 27:3 - NLT
When Judas, who had betrayed him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he(Judas) was filled with remorse.
So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and other leaders.

Mt 27:3-4 CJB
3 When Y'hudah, who had betrayed him, saw that Yeshua had been condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the head cohanim and elders, 4 saying, "I sinned in betraying an innocent man to death."

Repentance = remorse = being sorry = remorse = repentance

And how deep and serious was Judas' remorse?... it was confirmed by his actions in returning the money, in his speech and finally in hanging himself...

But nah... he didn't really meant it, and besides suicide is an unforgivable sin, right???

Something to consider.

Yours in Christ's GREAT LOVE,
Permalink 12/30/08 @ 16:34
Comment from: ~NewLifeElite~ [Member]
WOW...this is amazing...

John 6.37
(Jesus speaking) All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away....

"but wait, what about this" some would argue?

John 6.70-71
Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!" (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

hmm...most people forget about this one though...

Mark 8.31-33
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, "SATAN! he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

hmm...sounds familiar...

Proverbs 3.5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight."

Which brings us full circle to...

Matthew 7.13-14
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW find it...

Let us not forget that we too were once like Judas, God chose me even when I was a child of the devil and knew nothing about his great love and saving grace...but yet he also knew my future still choosing me and knowing me before I was in my mothers might speak for myself but I know that before my eyes were opened even I "walked to the house of God" even eating the Son of Man’s flesh and drinking his blood…(I know God does not dwell in man made temples but you know what I mean)

Colossians 1.12-14
give thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

so...the conclusion of the matter is...we once were "son's of the devil" there is no in between...your either a child of God, or a child of the devil...however...according to the Father's will we were drawn to his Son to be raised up with him and be with him forever...thank you for this teaching to show me just how deceiving my heart can be to think that once again I am somewhat better than anyone else...I guess it's safe to say that we can even be our own devil sometimes...

1 John 3.1
How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God!!! And that is what we are!!!

One of the all that has fallen short,

Permalink 12/30/08 @ 20:00
Comment from: Pam [Visitor] ·
What you have written brings this verse to mind.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

We who are chosen as God's vessels of mercy should be above all else humble. Salvation is not to serve our own purpose but God's and we are blessed to be chosen by God to be used as a part of that purpose. We are not chosen because we are anything special, we are chosen because we are base and common and like all other human beings. We have no choosing in our calling even though it is brought to fruition by our choice, the choice that God created us to make that does not come from ourselves but through the gift of faith.

I am blessed, Trent when I see you growing in your faith and see in you a heart that is soft toward God and easily corrected by Him. Then I know that you are led by His Spirit and not by some dogma set in the concrete of tradition or human pride.

The preceding verses of the one your post brought to my mind are also written to produce humility in the church in regard to our calling:

Romans 11:And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobeience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Knowing how God is working the good and the evil together for the benefit of those who are in Christ Jesus, how can we respond to sinners in any other way but love? If Judas had not fulfilled that which was appointed to him, there would be no shed blood of Jesus Christ to cover our sins. If hard-hearted Jews had not rejected their Messiah, there would be no Gentile believers saved by faith in Jesus. How dare we relegate this great salvation that we have been gifted with to our own personal destiny only. Jesus does change our destiny but our destiny is changed so that through Jesus, this world that is condemned already would not bear further condemnation but through the completed work of Christ jesus, be saved.

Permalink 12/30/08 @ 20:24
Comment from: Pam [Visitor] ·
Hey Trent,

In my bible reading this morning, I came across this verse that brought my thoughts back to what has been written here:

John 9:39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, tat those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."

This is a very different depiction of judgment that that painted by Christian tradition. It reminds me of the verse in Isaiah about the valleys being exalted and the mountains and hills laid low. The judgement of God, I have come to view in recent years, is not about condemnation but about all men being made equal before God. "Every knee will bow and every tongue confess, Jesus as Lord." This also rings true with the declaration by Jesus of His having come not to condemn the world but to save it. Human judgment is always tied to condemnation for there is nothing we love to do more than condemn others for doing what we do ourselves but God's judgment is righteous judgment (not like our judgment which looks upon the outward actions of another and reads them through the wickedness that dwells in our own hearts) and it is on Judgment Day that all the world's wrongs will be set straight. Every widow and every orphan will obtain justice. Every one of us will suffer as a widow or an orphan at some point in this life and all of us have been spiritually orphaned and widowed from God by sin.

Permalink 12/31/08 @ 19:42

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