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Cheers and Jeers

by Trent - recently updated

Long before there was, I've lurked around discussion forums, and the like. In my web-wanderings I've faced the mirror on many occasions.

So, in this blog I present a link to some "cheers" and small sampling of "jeers." I won't comment on either list, except to say that they are both very informative - the cheers are informative of Christ in me ... the jeers are informative of me without Christ. (PLEASE ... this is NOT a solicitation for an ego boost. I will not accept replies to this thread that bolster my ego ... I am just giving the voice to critical hate mail that it deserves, and I don't mind the criticism, so feel free to send more stuff to add to the "jeers" list, and I'll be happy to update this blog.)

HERE are the "cheers."

Click "Read More" for the "jeers." (warning adult language)


OOPS!!! ... a message and apology from Trent.
I had (in this section of the article) about 30 or so very colorful curses and criticisms of me, but I just erased them and replaced them with this little statement.

Why did I get rid of the Jeers, you might be asking?

Well the quick answer is "ripening" ... but the real reason goes back to why I posted the Jeers in the first place. ... So let me start at the beginning.

I had impure motives to posting the Jeers, especially the most recent update to the Jeers. My motive was partially mean, and no matter what other otherwise commendable reasons for the Jeers, the partial corruption made the whole list unsuitable to post. (now, I still have the list, if anyone can give me a good reason to share them, just email me with what you are thinking and we can talk about it, ok?)

By "mean" ... I am talking about the covert kind of meanness that would come natural to a passive aggressive personality, and I think I'll take the time, now, to explain all of that using Judo as an illustration.

Judo, meaning "gentle way", is a modern Japanese martial art and combat sport, that originated in Japan distinguished from other martial arts by the "soft method" of throwing an opponent. The soft method is characterized by the indirect application of force to defeat an opponent. More specifically, it is the principle of using one's opponent's strengths or aggression against him. For example, if the attacker was to push against his opponent he would find his opponent stepping to the side and allowing his momentum (often with the aid of a foot to trip him up) to throw him forwards or onto the ground.

Judo is a perfect picture of passive aggressiveness, which is one of my most prominent character flaws. My flesh tends toward the sin of passive aggressiveness often. This correction of this post is a rare example of me escaping my flesh tenancies by God's grace and according to His discipline.

"Why did you post this?" "Have you discovered your error, Trent?" "What are you trying to accomplish?" ... These three questions (and some other little thoughts) came to me after I updated and posted this article with 4-5 new Jeers added to the list. God was lovingly correcting me from my rhetorical Judo throw. Like the martial art, I was involved in attempting to use a brother's aggression against him.

In the introduction of this article, I wrote the words: "I am just giving the voice to critical hate mail that it deserves, and I don't mind the criticism, so feel free to send more stuff to add to the "jeers" list, and I'll be happy to update this blog." ... and I really need to take the time to unequivocally retract this statement. While there is just reason to confess our sins one with another and boast in our weakness ... that kind of sincerity should not be mingled with a passive-aggressive parry of an attack. We are called to "turn-the-other-cheek" ... not "indirect application of force to defeat" one another.

Suffice it to say, there really is alot of truth to the Jeers that I have erased from this article ... and in my flesh is no good thing. But to let others say that for me by quoting their insults or remarks is not a pure way to make the point. Giving the "voice to the critical hate-mail that it deserves" is better represented by my erasing and replacing the quotes. Those remarks that I quoted as "jeers" will be tested and approved by God alone as to their worthiness to remain ... and it is not for me to judge. I would do better to uplift Christ with the understanding that I have been given than to use rhetorical Judo to throw a brother off balance.

I am still ripening after all ... and perhaps this candid look behind the scenes will tell a better story about the depths of depravity in my flesh than all of those hateful remarks ever could.


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Comment from: Pam [Member]
Hey Trent,

I think you know that I measure you as my little brother in Christ. In actuality, I'm flattering myself as I'm actually much closer to being a mom in Christ.

There's nothing 'adult' about this language. It is only vulgar language and the only thing it aids me in assessing is the depth of depravity of the writer. It defiles the writer and should offend the reader. Those comments say nothing about you and I think should be wholey ignored and tossed out!

Permalink 02/09/06 @ 13:18
Comment from: bruced [Visitor] ·
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Opinions are derived from our personal experiences and circumstances, and are neither right or wrong. They are just opinions. It's a shame people feel the need to be so hateful though. It's surely a revelation into their own hurting. People who are dissatisfied with life want to see others the same way. It's what makes them happy. So, let them be happy.
Permalink 02/10/06 @ 06:50
Comment from: Trent [Member] ·
Well, you might have a point. Those "jeer" comments are far too kind, as they have not really plumbed the depths of my true depravity.

Permalink 02/10/06 @ 11:29
Comment from: Pam [Member]
Your shoes are dusty, sweetie.

Permalink 02/10/06 @ 11:34
Comment from: Trent [Member] ·
Bruce D,

Some opinions are wrong, but there is no shame in that.
However, these wrong opinions are not wrong for what one might assume. They did not overshoot legitimate criticism. Rather, they are wrong, in that they were far too kind in the jeers, and only touched the tip of the iceburg as to how f***ed up I am, (except for the grace of God, of course.)

The cheers are wrong, in that they were appreciative of "ME." If they knew what I know ... they would be thanking God instead, for whatever good comes out of me.

Permalink 02/10/06 @ 11:36
Comment from: Pam [Member]

Hey Trent,

I think the cheers are an assessment of some of the things you've done for other people not really of you. I can see if you do good things or bad things but only God can read your heart.

We should all be thankful that God works despite us not because of us. If the later were true, God would have no influence in the world.


Permalink 02/10/06 @ 15:45
Comment from: Len [Visitor]
Hi Trent ! Hey ! Praise GOD ! Many
of those same ''lovely'' people have
jeered and sneered at me repeatedly
over the past few years. - seems they just can't get enough of hate and personal attacks. Whatever: as you (and others) have said: "our
righteousness is OF and IN Christ."
"in my own carnal self dwelleth NO
good thing." THANK GOD for the cleansing Blood of The Advocate !
THANK GOD for the grace to go on...

CHRIST IN you is beautiful, ... and
He is often making Himself known in
many and myriads of ways. Thanks also for your wise counsel and input.
~ Jude 24,25 ~
Permalink 02/14/06 @ 04:29
Comment from: Len [Visitor]
Oh, btw: Happy VALENTINE'S DAY
to you & yours !

Be blest always
in Jesus.

Permalink 02/14/06 @ 04:32
Comment from: lisab [Visitor]
one thing about the Internet, is that it's very easy for the anonomous people to type things that are on their heart that they'd never consider saying face to face..

That's one of the drawbacks of an online ministry--be prepared to get all kinds of stuff--both flattery (which can be dangerous) as well as garbage that's been spewed from folks who have nothing better to do.

Reminds me of those chat rooms from the good ole days...

Reality--Jesus lives in you. Jesus lives in me... Jesus lives in all His kids--we're siblings in Christ :)
Permalink 02/19/06 @ 11:15
Comment from: Princess Isa [Visitor]
Trent dear...I noticed you didnt put any of the decent correction that you so badly needed. I also noticed a big blank spot where my emails should have been.But you know, this game you are playing is also being seen in the Third heaven...You reap what you sow brother and your day is coming if you dont change.It may or proly will come in the way you never dreamed it would come but " God will not be mocked "...and as you mock these little ones you mock Him. Matthew 25 praying for ur safety and relationship with Jesus, Shira
Permalink 06/07/06 @ 22:04
Comment from: Trent [Member] ·
True to form there ... (aka "princess Aman" or "princess_isa_of_spicez" or "Princess Isa") "dear"

And thanks for praying for me and cursing me at the same time. I'm touched!

If anybody wants a copy of the emails to which she is referring ... they are available, just ask, and I'll send them to you ... but I warn you, that they are pretty long!

Permalink 06/08/06 @ 02:26
Comment from: pam [Visitor]
"You who are without sin, caste the first stone." This spoken by Jesus the giver of Life. What a contrast to the way we all treat one another. We are the givers of death for by human sin, death entered the world. Left to ourselves and our poor blind judgement, there would be no one left standing. Let's listen to Jesus and lay those stones down.

Permalink 05/21/08 @ 17:27
Comment from: terry fuller [Visitor]
Trent,just a few obsevations:

Friends we make on the internet are one thing, but friends with warm smiles and hugs are another. I know most of the people who you know and spend time with. Those people, along with myself, think highly of you because of knowing you. You were raised with 5 siblings who know you well and who, like myself, enjoy you and love you.

Even amoung best friends, conversing via e-mail has its short comings and vulnerabilities for misunderstandings and wrong interpretations. Face to face conversation affords immediate clarification and allows for non-verbal cues that in themselves help with our listening skills.

Some conversations among friends should, by nature, not be made public via the internet.........Some internet posts do not deserve and should not be given a second hearing..........Some things about our personal lives should not be acknowledged outside of our private conversations with God or those to whom we are responsible. These, and other no-nos are more or less second nature in real-life situations, but they can easily become blurred when conversing on line. Now, after all these "should-nots",I feel like I may be treading on thin ice!

Just know you are loved by real-life people and by me!
Permalink 05/21/08 @ 18:30
Comment from: pam [Visitor]

This is my soft-hearted pen-pal that I've been writing back and forth to for nearly a decade now. I've tears in my eyes in recognition of a dear friend that I've been missing for awhile.


Very good advice as to boundaries. I was never really raised with any and my natural ones were erased through tramitic events in my childhood. At 51, I am trying hard to establish what was taken from me so long ago. I'm also trying hard to realize that it isn't up to me to fill every perceived need and fix every wrong in the lives of those I care about. I know from experiencing the lack of them how very important those boundaries are. I hope all of you can forgive me for any that I have crossed uninvited out of concern.

We are all real people online and off but the relationships are different than in flesh and blood. I don't think we know proper the etiquete (sp?)to govern these relationships yet.

Permalink 05/21/08 @ 19:39
Comment from: terry fuller [Visitor]
Pam, not to worry, you are loved.
Permalink 05/22/08 @ 00:34
Comment from: lenbenhear [Member] ·
Differences between Christians that love Jesus and seek (truly) to live under His Lordship, ... I say: *differences* should be resolved in a spirit of humility and love: and *affirming* the same toward one another and our committment IN CHRIST. - *that* need pre-eminence.

As to Timothy & Trent and prophetic words of warning and encouragement and admonition: be gracious, be wise, ... and be *nonjudgemental*
... for the brother OBVIOUSLY loves the Lord Jesus Christ and lifts Him up in every one of his posts and writings. - THAT counts for a lot, ... even if you *don't* believe the Scripture which so clearly says, "in the last days, *your sons & your daughters SHALL prophecie,* and your old men dream dreams (and see visions)..." ... Well, ladies & gentlemen: are we IN THE LAST DAYS? ... does GOD still speak to & thru His people?

Permalink 05/23/08 @ 06:10
Comment from: emilyc [Member] ·
I was just thinking about the "jeers"....
Didn't Jesus die so we could be free from those? :)
He already said He remembers them no more....................
Permalink 06/06/08 @ 23:24

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