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Permalink 09:57:39 am, Categories: GraceHead teaching, By Trent, GraceHead grinning, 355 words   English (US)

All means all means all means all means ...

Contrary to popular belief ...
All pens are made by Bic,
and all have red ink.

All means all, baby!
Before you try to argue against me, first look at my proof by clicking below to read more.


Proof that all pens are Bic
See there?
I was right. All means all, and all pens are made by "Bic", and all of them have red ink. Is that sound logic? Or misleading when presented out of context?

You might have guessed that I am bringing this up to point to the how Universalists will use the "all means all" argument to make an obscure verse by Paul to dismantle Paul's teaching, Jesus' teaching, Peter's teaching, and John's teaching. Here is the verse:

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Just as my statement that "all pens are made with red ink" is right in a specific context (the context of THE PICTURE,) and wrong in almost any other context ... so is Paul's statement absolutely right in the context of 1 Corinthians, but wrong in almost any other context.

So what is the context of 1 Corinthians?

1 Corinthians 1:1-2
Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

What about the context of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians? Well, Paul re-affirms the narrow audience of his statements to be "you, brethren ... received and standing in the gospel" (verse 1), and "saved and holding fast the word" (verse 2), "your faith in vain if the Lord not raised" (verse 14 & 17.)

So, in the context of the picture above ... all pens are Bic, and all have red ink ... and in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 ... all are made alive. You have to apprehend the context!

If somebody says all hot-dogs have mustard, they are probably talking about all the hot-dogs on the table, not all hot-dogs ever made.

You just have to use your head a little.

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Comment from: Pam [Member]
Hey Trent,

I don't think the Universalists are fully correct and neither do I believe that the Calvinists are fully correct. All means all but not that all are saved. Salvation by Christ's finished work on the cross belongs to the church. All does not mean all(elect). God's Word needs no qualifiers imposed upon by man. I am not a Universalists but I see this a whole other way... Do we forge ahead on this, united in Christ? The blood of Jesus is thicker than doctrine.

I need some time to lay out what I believe, so that I can show that I arrived there by the study of scripture and not by some personal revelation as my previous articles led some to believe. In doing so, I will probably not read everything you write until I am done presenting what I see and then I will compare. If my view is fallacy, I above all (and all means all;0) desire that what I present be shown as fallacy. Let God be true and every man a liar.

If you want me to hush, just let me know and I will hush.

Love in Christ,
Permalink 06/17/06 @ 12:02
Comment from: Pam [Member]
Hey Trent,

Are you too young to have ever heard of Fireside Theatre? Well, to some god is a great hot dog! When do we eat?

In tweenty years in a Baptisit church, I have probably heard a total of 100 verses of scripture preached on consistently. Does that make all the others I have studied obscure or is obscurity relative? In my Bible all of the words are in black and white and equivelent in importance through some not so readily apprehended but God is good and does reveal all in His good time.

Maybe all depends not on the meaning of all but maybe it all hinges upon what the meaning of the word is, is...

touche' little brother,

Permalink 06/18/06 @ 01:38
Comment from: Trent [Member] ·

===[Salvation by Christ's finished work on the cross belongs to the church.]===

If salvation came by the finished work on the cross, then all would be saved.
"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2

However, Salvation is not by what Christ finished on the cross.
"It is finished" - Jesus, speaking of his atoning sacrifice
"I am finished" - what people wrongly assumed, that Christ had finished all that He was sent to accomplish.

"For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!" - Romans 5:10

Or as one brother wrote:
" is essential that you should realize that His cross was the means to an end; for to confuse the means for the end is to rob the Lord Jesus of that for which He came.
He came that you might have life! His life -- imparted to you by the renewing of the Holy Spirit on the grounds of redemption... He came to restore to you all that makes the mystery of godliness an open secret -- the presence of the Living God within a human soul." (Thomas, W. Ian. The Mystery of Godliness. Grand Rapids: Zondervan Pub. House, 1964. Pg. 110.)

===[All does not mean all(elect)]===
Since Paul's audience was " all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours" ... what else could "all" mean? All of those everywhere who call upon the Lord Jesus were as dead as Adam, and are as alive as Jesus. Who else besides Christians can make that claim? (seriously, this is not a rhetorical question.)

===[God's Word needs no qualifiers imposed upon by man]===
... which is why I only use the qualifiers that is not imposed by men. Rather I used God's Word, and the only qualifiers therein without imposing a universal qualifier not found in the text as the Universalists do.

===[If you want me to hush, just let me know and I will hush.]===
I want you to help me pull beams from my eye, so ... please try harder.

Ripening for the harvest,
Permalink 06/21/06 @ 10:42

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