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Is Saturday the Sabbath? Should we still keep it according to Commandment #4?

This Bible study contains Biblical and Historical Evidence including:

-25+ Bible Verses
-Old Testament Evidence: God Commanded His People To Keep the Sabbath
-New Testament Evidence: Jesus Christ Honored the Sabbath, even in death
-The word for Saturday in other languages is a variation of Sabbath
-The Calendar Has Remained Unchanged
-Why and When the Sabbath Was Moved to Sunday, the First Day of the Week
-Confessions From Clergyman
-Letter from God regarding the Sabbath and the Law

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Friends, please read the whole blog before disagreeing...you will be surprised. I promise :-)

Friends, Sisters and Brothers in Christ, I am here to tell you Saturday is the Sabbath!...not Sunday.
Now before you take offense, hear my words. They are not entirely my own...God’s Spirit fills me.
Indeed, you are not wrong for worshiping on Sunday. No one can ever be wrong when worshiping the Lord and gathering together for fellowship in the name of Jesus. To worship the Lord any and all days is righteousness, but the seventh day is the day God has commanded us to remember and keep holy.
So then on Saturday, do no work, but rest in the Lord, and pray and be merry. Then, when Sunday comes, worship and fellowship, for this is also pleasing to the Lord.
I hear some of you saying, "Yes, but we are no longer under the Law". You are partially right. We are under grace, freed from the Law's punishment, by Jesus' death and resurrection. Has the Law also passed away? As the apostle, Paul, says, "God forbid". Rather, only the laws found in ordinances were nailed to the cross of Christ as Paul has taught us.
The Law of the Ten Commandments is now established in us and fulfilled by Jesus who is the only One who has never transgressed, who also said, "It is easier for Heaven and earth to pass away than one letter of the Law to fail" (Mat. 5:18) and again saying, "whoever breaks one of these least commandments, and shall teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom; but whoever teaches others to keep them, shall be called great in the Kingdom" (Mat. 5:19). He also being the same One who taught us the Law anew and how to obey it. Why teach us of that which has passed away? So then, if Jesus remembered the Sabbath and the apostles remembered the Sabbath, how is it then we have forgotten it?!
The church who changed the Sabbath was wrong, but the churches who worship on Sunday are not wrong. For even the apostles wrote that they did gather together on the first day of the week, which was the day after the day they rested and kept holy. (They were Jewish Christians. They honored and kept the Law and the Holy Days, but with a much greater understanding in the knowledge that Jesus is the fulfillment of all things and their one and only best example.)
Rather, we as individuals in Christ should keep the Sabbath as it is written. In obedience to God in Christ is our love made perfect.
Below is an extensive study proving Saturday, the "seventh day of the week", is the Sabbath we should keep.

May God's Spirit guide you and give you understanding as you read.

Yours in Christ now and in the kingdom,
Timothy

Honoring the Sabbath, the Fourth Commandment Page 1 of 19
Part 1: It Is Important To Keep The Weekly Sabbath Exactly As It Was Written

A. Introduction
God set the example by He Himself resting on the seventh day of creation, whereby we should also rest on the seventh day, the day the Creator blessed. God gave us the Sabbath as a gift of rest for us to spend with Him, a sign between us and Him, refreshing our spirit, faith and body. Although it is to be accepted as a gift for all those who take joy in God's Sabbaths, it is not optional, it is to be obeyed, a commandment of the Most High. Just as we are not to worship any other gods, nor make any graven image, nor misuse God..s name, nor dishonor our parents, nor kill, nor commit adultery, nor steal, nor bear false witness, nor covet, neither should we forget the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Nor should we keep it on any other day; the seventh day of each week we shall keep it without question! We must ask ourselves if God made it so important as to make it one of the Ten Commandments, why then do we rationalize it as not being as important as the other nine? Are not all God..s commands to be obeyed exactly as He has written them, or are we and the churches so arrogant that we have any say in the Commandments of God, that we might change them to suit ourselves?
Commemorating any other day would say that we do not honor His act of creation because we are changing the day of rest. God did not rest on the first day, then proceed to do His work for the following six, but He worked for six, and rested on the seventh. To not honor the seventh day acknowledges that we do not truly appreciate His gift of creation, nor do we accept His gift of the Sabbath, a day that we are supposed to share with Him, by honoring Him, speaking of Him, and worshipping Him.
If our minds are consumed by housework, yard work, our careers, shopping, sports activities, etc., then we have not given that day to Him, but only to ourselves. The fourth commandment states specifically how to honor the Sabbath...no work for anyone in your household, including servants and animals and no buying or selling. God states to ..keep it holy.. meaning no sinful behavior, always keeping Him first and foremost in our minds and hearts; also, to speak of Him constantly and to fill our houses with prayer and worship.
To not honor the Sabbath, the seventh day, is to not honor God. Breaking the fourth commandment is as serious offense as is breaking any of the other commandments.
In the United States, the seventh day on any calendar is Saturday. There is no room for disagreement. Either your calendar says Saturday is the seventh day, or it doesn..t. Sunday has not become the seventh day, nor has Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday. In other areas of the world, they should also observe the Sabbath on the seventh day of each week.
Throughout this study, we will show that Saturday is the accepted Sabbath day, not only by God and Jesus, but by faithful Christians all around the world. We will also discuss why Saturday, the seventh-day Sabbath, was changed to Sunday, the first-day of the week.

B. Old Testament Evidence:
God Commanded His People To Keep the Sabbath

Throughout the Old Testament, the Sabbath is always referred to as the seventh day, not the first. Specific instructions are given to us, including rest for all, no buying or selling, and to keep the Sabbath holy. Those who keep the Sabbath, the seventh day, as God has commanded, will be rewarded. Please note the following verses:

Genesis 2:2-3 ~ God Rested on the Seventh Day and Blessed It
(2) And on the SEVENTH DAY God ended His work which He had made; and He RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all His work which He had made. (3) And God blessed the SEVENTH DAY, and sanctified it; because that in it He had RESTED from all His work which God created and made.

Exodus 16:23-30 ~ Rest on the Sabbath, the Seventh Day
(23) And He said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the Lord. Bake that which ye will bake today, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. (24) And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade. And it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. (25) And Moses said, Eat that today; for today is a Sabbath unto the Lord. Today ye shall not find it in the field. (26) Six days ye shall gather it; but on the SEVENTH DAY, which is the Sabbath, in it there shall be none. (27) And it came to pass, that they went out some of the people on the SEVENTH DAY for to gather, and they found none. (28) And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep My commandments and My laws? (29) See, for that the Lord hath given you the Sabbath, therefore He giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the SEVENTH DAY (30) So the people rested on the SEVENTH DAY. (31) And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna. And it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Exodus 20:8-11 ~
The 4th Commandment: Honor the Sabbath, the Seventh Day, and Keep It Holy
(8) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work, (10) But the SEVENTH DAY is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates. (11) For in six days the Lord made Heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY. Wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 23:12 ~ The Servants Are Not Allowed To Work on the Sabbath, the Seventh Day
Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the SEVENTH DAY thou shalt rest. That thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

Exodus 34:21 ~ Rest on the Sabbath, the SEVENTH DAY, Even During Harvest Time
Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest. In earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

Leviticus 23:3 ~ The SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of Rest, a Holy Convocation
Six days shall work be done. But the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no work therein. It is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Leviticus 26:2-4 ~ Those Who Keep God..s Commandments Are Rewarded
(2) Ye shall keep My Sabbaths, and reverence My sanctuary. I am the Lord. (3) If ye walk in My statutes, and keep My commandments, and do them, (4) then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

Deuteronomy 5:12-15 ~ Obey the 4th Commandment, Honor the Sabbath, the Seventh Day
(12) Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. (13) Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work. (14) But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the Lord thy God. I it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. (15) And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm. Therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the Sabbath day.

Nehemiah 10:31 ~ No Buying or Selling on the Sabbath
And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the Sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the Sabbath, or on the holy day. And that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt.

Nehemiah 13:15 ~ No Buying or Selling on the Sabbath
In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the Sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the Sabbath day. And I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.

Isaiah 56:2, 6 ~ Blessed Are All Those, Including Foreigners, Who Keep the Sabbath
(2) Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. (6) Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants, every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of My covenant.

Isaiah 58:13-14 ~ Those Who Keep The Sabbath Are Rewarded
(13) If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour Him, not doing thine own ways, nor find thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words, (14) then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father. For the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 66:23 ~ Worship the Lord on the Sabbath Day
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 17:21-22 ~ Bear No Burdens on the Sabbath Day, But Keep It Holy
(21) Thus saith the Lord: Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the Sabbath, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem. (22) Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the Sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the Sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.

Ezekiel 20:12-13 ~ Punishment for Those Who Do Not Keep God's Commands
(12) Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them. (13) But the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness. They walked not in My statutes, and they despised My judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and My Sabbaths they greatly polluted. Then I said, I would pour out My fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:19-20 ~ Keeping God..s Statutes Is a Sign Between God and You
(19) I am the Lord your God. Walk in My statutes, and keep My judgments, and do them. (20) And hallow My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.

C. New Testament Evidence:
Jesus Christ Honored the Sabbath

Jesus Christ and His disciples kept the Sabbath as commanded in the 4th commandment. Jesus not only kept all of the commandments, but told us they will be kept forever, and that not even one of these commandments will pass away. As a person choosing to follow Jesus, His ways become our ways. The examples He gave us throughout His ministry on earth should also be kept today, without question. The New Testament gives us numerous examples of Jesus honoring the Sabbath day:

Matthew 12:10-12 ~ It is Good to do Good on the Sabbath
(10) And behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked Him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath days? That they might accuse Him. (11) And He said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the Sabbath day, will he not lay hold of it, and lift it out? (12) How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath days.

Matthew 24:20-21 ~ The Sabbath Should Be Kept Even in the Last Days
(20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day. (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (In this verse, Jesus is referring to the last days.)

C. New Testament Evidence:
Jesus Christ Honored the Sabbath

Mark 2:23-28 ~ Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath; The Fulfillment of Personal Needs is Allowed on the Sabbath (eating, sleeping, etc.)
(23) And it came to pass, that He went through the corn fields on the Sabbath day; and His disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. (24) And the Pharisees said unto Him, Behold, why do they on the Sabbath day that which is not lawful? (25) And He said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungered, he, and they that were with him? (26) How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? (27) And He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. (28) Therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Luke 4:16 ~ Jesus Taught On The Sabbath
And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Mark 3:1-5 ~ Jesus Helped Others on the Sabbath
(1) And He entered again into the synagogue, and there was a man there which has a withered hand. (2) And they watched Him, whether He would heal Him on the Sabbath day, that they might accuse Him. (3) And He saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. (4) And He saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? To save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. (5) And when He had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, He saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out. And his hand was restored whole as the other.

Luke 23:55-56 ~ Jesus.. Disciples Rested and Kept the Sabbath, Even During Jesus' Death, As He Also Kept the Sabbath Even in Death
(55) And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how His body was laid. (56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.

Acts 13:14 ~ Christ..s Apostles Kept the Sabbath
But when they departed form Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and sat down.

James 2:10-11 ~ In Breaking One of the Commandments, We Transgress the Whole Law
(10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the Law.
Luke 16:17 ~ The Law, the Ten Commandments, Will Never Pass Away
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the Law to fail.
[Note: Jesus is saying it is easier for the skies (heaven) and earth to fade or be destroyed than even one point or word of the Law of God to be changed or destroyed. They are written as it were, in ..everlasting stone... The Ten Commandments stand forever; only the laws found in ordinances have passed away, having been nailed to the cross with Jesus. - Colossians 2:14]

D. New Testament Evidence:
Jesus Christ Honored the Sabbath, Even in Death

There are only eight references in the Bible to the first day of the week, none of them referring to the Sabbath (five of them refer to the day when the tomb was found empty). Jesus rose from the dead Saturday evening, having rested on the Sabbath, the last day of the week.

The Biblical Chronology of Jesus Christ's Crucifixion and Resurrection

Tuesday: Jesus Christ ate an evening Passover meal with His disciples (at the beginning of Nisan 14*, biblical reckoning) and instituted the New Covenant symbols (Matthew 26:26-28). Jesus was then betrayed by Judas, arrested and during the night brought before the high priest.

Wednesday: Jesus was crucified and died around 3 p.m. (Matthew 27:46-50). This was the preparation day for the annual, not weekly, Sabbath, which began at sunset (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:31). Jesus.. body was placed in the tomb just before sunset (Matthew 27:57-60).

Thursday: This was the high-day Sabbath, the first day of Unleavened Bread (John 19:31; Leviticus 23:4-7). It is described as the day after the ..Day of Preparation.. (Matthew 27:62).

Friday: The high-day Sabbath now past, the women bought and prepared spices for anointing Jesus.. body before resting on the weekly Sabbath day, which began at Friday sunset (Mark 16:1; Luke 23:56).

Saturday: The women rested on the weekly Sabbath, according to the Fourth Commandment (Luke 23:56; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus rose near sunset, exactly three days and three nights after burial, fulfilling the sign of Jonah and authenticating the sign He gave of His messiah-ship.

Sunday: The women brought the prepared spices early in the morning while it was still dark (Luke 24:1; John 20:1), finding that Jesus had already risen (Matthew 28:1-6; Mark 16:2-6; Luke 24:2-3; John 20:1). He did not rise on Sunday morning, but near sunset the day before.

* Nisan is the first month of the civil year and the seventh month (eighth, in leap year) of the ecclesiastical year on the Hebrew calendar. **Also note that a Biblical day was from sunset to sunset.

E. The Jewish Observation of the Sabbath

The Jewish people have carefully kept the Saturday Sabbath for many millennia. Since the ancient Israelites defined sundown as the end of a day, the Sabbath runs from local sundown on Friday night until sundown on Saturday. With all of these references to the observance of the Saturday Sabbath found in the history of the Jewish people, the life of Christ, and the practices of disciples and other followers of Christ, one would naturally assume that Christian churches would have continued with the Jewish Sabbath. So tightly linked is Saturday to the Sabbath that in over 100 languages (one source says 160) the name for Saturday is some variation of the word "Sabbath".

The following is a partial list:
Afrikaans - Sabado
Arabic - Sabt
Armenian - Shabat
Catalan - Dissabte
Czech - Sobota
Esperanto - Sabato
German - Samstag, Sonnabend
Hebrew - Shabbat
Hungarian - Szombat
Italian - Sabato
Latin - Sabbata; Sabbatum
Polish - Sobota
Portugese - Sabado
Romanian - Simba tu
Swedish - Sabbat
Serbia - Subota
Slovak - Sobota
Spanish - Sabado
Yiddish - Schabes

F. The Calendar Has Remained Unchanged

The Jewish people have observed this date for many millennia without interruption. When the Julian calendar was replaced by the Gregorian calendar in 1582 CE, ten days were deleted in order to bring the calendar in synchronism with the seasons. But the sequence of the days remained the same. Thus, 1582-OCT-4 (a Thursday) was followed by 1582-OCT-15 (a Friday), and the Sabbath of 1582-OCT-16 happened exactly 7 days after the previous Sabbath of OCT-9.

Part 2: Why and When the Sabbath Was Moved
to Sunday, the First Day of the Week

A. Several Reasons

.. The Roman emperor Constantine affection for sun worship led him to endorse Sunday, the first day of the week, a day dedicated to honoring the sun, as a weekly day of rest in the Roman empire . This created considerable hardship on those Jews and true Christians who continued to keep the biblical Sabbath on the seventh day of the week. (A century later the Council of Laodicea would essentially outlaw Sabbath-keeping and Christian observance of the biblical Holy Days.)

.. The Pagan Roman religion and Mithraism, a religious competitor of Christianity, reserved Sunday as their day of religious observance. Many Christians did not make a clear distinction between this sun-cult [Mithraism] and their own. They held their services on Sunday, knelt towards the
East and had their nativity-feast on 25 December, the birthday of the sun at the winter solstice.

.. The Government intermittently persecuted the Jews at this time; it was safer for Christianity to
be considered as a separate religion rather than as a sect of Judaism.

.. Relations between the Jews and Christians were hostile at that time. The early Christian church
had suffered much persecution from the Jews.

.. The Roman Catholic church took it upon themselves to change the Sabbath day from Saturday
to Sunday. They felt it was their ..divine.. right to make this change as they also felt it was their
right to add ..holy.. days (holidays) and such things as purgatory and indulgences, which have no basis in the Bible. Many Protestant churches, who have ties to the Catholic church, still hold to this error today.

B. Confessions From Catholic Clergyman

James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.
..But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify...

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.
..Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
..Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority...

John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1 936), vol. 1, P. 51.
..Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days...

Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.
..Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
..Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church...

James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.
..Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day -Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes . Did Christ change the day..? I answer no!
..Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons..

The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893
..The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...

Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. ..To Tell You the Truth...
..For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible...

Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957), p. 50.
..Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
..Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
..Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
..Answer. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday...

Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927),p. 136.
..Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God..s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday...

Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.
..Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts: (1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man. (2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible...

T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.
..I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ..Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... The Catholic Church says: ..No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week... And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church...

C. Confessions from Protestant Clergyman

Anglican/Episcopal

Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons on the Catechism , vol. 1, pp.334, 336.
..And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it...

Canon Eyton, The Ten Commandments , pp. 52, 63, 65.
..There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters.... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday...

Bishop Seymour, Why We Keep Sunday .
We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church...

Baptist

Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, a paper read before a New York ministers.. conference, Nov. 13, 1893, reported in New York Examiner , Nov.16, 1893.
..There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week .... Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament absolutely not.
..To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years.. intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question . . . never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated.
..Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history . . . . But what a pity it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!..

William Owen Carver, The Lord..s Day in Our Day , p. 49.
..There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance...

Congregationalist

Dr. R. W. Dale, The Ten Commandments (New York: Eaton &Mains), p. 127-129.
.. . . . it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath - . . ..Me Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday .... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday...

Timothy Dwight, Theology: Explained and Defended (1823), Ser. 107, vol. 3, p. 258.
.. . . . the Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive Church called the Sabbath...

Disciples of Christ

Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, Feb. 2, 1824,vol. 1. no. 7, p. 164.
....But,.. say some, ..it was changed from the seventh to the first day... Where? when? and by whom? No man can tell. No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed! It is all old wives.. fables to talk of the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws ex officio - I think his name is Doctor Antichrist...

First Day Observance , pp. 17, 19.
..The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change...

Lutheran

The Sunday Problem , a study book of the United Lutheran Church (1923), p. 36.
..We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both...

Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.
..They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord..s Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!..

Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church Henry John Rose, tr. (1843), p. 186.
..The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday...

John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday , pp. 15, 16.
..But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect...

Methodist

Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942, p.26.
..Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day...

John Wesley, The Works of the Rev. John Wesley, A.M., John Emory, ed. (New York: Eaton & Mains), Sermon 25,vol. 1, p. 221.
..But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken .... Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other...

Dwight L. Moody
D. L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting (Fleming H. Revell Co.: New York), pp. 47, 48.
The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word ..remember,.. showing that the Sabbath already existed when God Wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?..

Presbyterian

T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474, 475.
..The Sabbath is a part of the decalogue - the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution . . . . Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand . . . . The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath...

Sources:
www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html - Confessions from Clergyman
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sabbath.htm - Jewish and Calendar facts
www.dictionaries.travlang.com/otherdicts.html - Translations of the word ..Saturday.. in other languages

3/29/06 From God the Father, Given To Timothy -
The Heavens and the Earth Shall Pass Away, Recreated Anew...The Law Stands Forever, Unchanged and Unchangeable. Neither Has God Blessed Any Other Day. The Seventh Has He Blessed...Keep It Holy.

3/29/06 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Thus says The Lord your God: You shall not desecrate My Sabbaths, nor the seventh day of the week, which I have commanded you to remember!

Thus says The Lord...

As I had spoken it to Moses, so shall it be done...
As I had spoken it before the congregation, so shall it be done...

Yea, with the blowing of the great trumpet,
With lightnings and thunderings, had I spoken it upon Mount Sinai...

In the presence of the tribes of Israel,
And before the holy angels, did I trumpet My Law.

The Lord your God had written it, with His own hand...
Yea, by My own finger was it engravened and given to My people...

Behold I, even I, have written it upon the hearts of the penitent,
By the power of My own Spirit.

For The Son of Man came to redeem you from your sins, from your transgression of that burned into the stone of the Everlasting Covenant, by which man shall live... Of which none have kept... By which they shall surely die.
Lo, a New Covenant have I sent to you, in Christ Jesus, to save you from the penalty of that which you have forsaken. Has then your Christ died, whereby The Law has also died?... Not so!... Shall you crucify your Savior, again and again, putting Him to an open shame?!... NO!... You shall live because of Him, and by that which He upholds and has magnified in Himself!... Being the only One who is without sin, having kept every tittle of The Law.

For it is written, as The Lord Christ had spoken it,
“It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tittle of The Law to fail”...

For the spirit of The Law is shown in His vesture...

He, being the same One who taught you The Law anew,
By His example and by His every word and deed...

For The Law is fulfilled in Christ, The Messiah...
Indeed, He is the goal at which the Torah (Law) aims.

He is The Lord of The Law, also being The Lord of the Sabbath.

So then, if He is The Lord of the Sabbath, having obeyed every command of The Father, why do you not follow Him? You say you follow Him and honor Me... Verily, I say to you, you shall all be found liars in the Day of Reckoning. For every word spoken by God, and His Son, stands forever... Without any variableness or shadow of turning.

Oh church of adulteries, how We mourn for you... You have been judged, and shall be left utterly desolate in the Day of The Lord’s wrath. You say you speak for Me, and have Christ’s authority. You have trampled upon the grave of The Resurrected One, making His sacrifice of non-effect!... Woe to those who blaspheme the Spirit!
Your whoredoms are piled to Heaven! Every Law you have broken!... Even to this day, do you embrace all the sins I hate! In all you do, do you crucify The Son of Salvation, again and again!... Denying His name by all your deeds, you call mighty and true...

Oh unholy church of men, mother of all fornications and lies,
Your destruction comes nigh!...

You have become Egypt!...

Let My people go!

Stop desecrating My Sabbaths, cease from your heresies, hold your tongue from your blasphemies!... And repent!... And I may yet have mercy on you. Saturday is the seventh day and the Shabbat (Sabbath), which I have ordained from the beginning!

The Holy One comes quickly, and will take from you His own...

He shall snatch them from your very breast...

NO MORE shall My children receive nourishment from you!...

NO MORE shall they sit in your deceptions!

The light is taken from you!... You are left alone, estranged by your false doctrines. Your fate lies with him who is coming, who shall lead many into perdition and death. You shall bear him a son, a man who bears the number of his name, his prophet. You will not be alone when desolations come... You and your enemy, Ishmael, shall be destroyed, along with the father that bore you both, the father of lies. And so shall it be done... Even so, amen.

The Mighty and Strong One shall return!...

And great recompense shall fall hard upon the nations!...

Behold, He shall come in all His glory!...

And Judgment shall sit...

Yet anyone, who calls on the name of The Lord in that Day, shall be saved.

Comments:

Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
Thus says The Lord your God: You shall not desecrate My Sabbaths, nor the seventh day of the week, which I have commanded you to remember!

Thus says The Lord...

As I had spoken it to Moses, so shall it be done...
As I had spoken it before the congregation, so shall it be done...

Yea, with the blowing of the great trumpet,
With lightnings and thunderings, had I spoken it upon Mount Sinai...

In the presence of the tribes of Israel,
And before the holy angels, did I trumpet My Law.

The Lord your God had written it, with His own hand...
Yea, by My own finger was it engravened and given to My people...

Behold I, even I, have written it upon the hearts of the penitent,
By the power of My own Spirit.

For The Son of Man came to redeem you from your sins, from your transgression of that burned into the stone of the Everlasting Covenant, by which man shall live... Of which none have kept... By which they shall surely die.
Lo, a New Covenant have I sent to you, in Christ Jesus, to save you from the penalty of that which you have forsaken. Has then your Christ died, whereby The Law has also died?... Not so!... Shall you crucify your Savior, again and again, putting Him to an open shame?!... NO!... You shall live because of Him, and by that which He upholds and has magnified in Himself!... Being the only One who is without sin, having kept every tittle of The Law.

For it is written, as The Lord Christ had spoken it,
“It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tittle of The Law to fail”...

For the spirit of The Law is shown in His vesture...

He, being the same One who taught you The Law anew,
By His example and by His every word and deed...

For The Law is fulfilled in Christ, The Messiah...
Indeed, He is the goal at which the Torah (Law) aims.

He is The Lord of The Law, also being The Lord of the Sabbath.

So then, if He is The Lord of the Sabbath, having obeyed every command of The Father, why do you not follow Him? You say you follow Him and honor Me... Verily, I say to you, you shall all be found liars in the Day of Reckoning. For every word spoken by God, and His Son, stands forever... Without any variableness or shadow of turning.
Permalink 05/08/07 @ 19:15
Comment from: Trent [Member] · http://www.GraceHead.com
Timothy,

Lets track the logic that many Christians profess.

Sabbath means nothing much:
Jesus fulfills the Sabbath ::

natural conclusion:
Therefore .... Jesus fulfills nothing much???

Same goes for feasts and celebrations ... if they ACTUALLY really are fulfilled by Jesus, then why would they not be precious to those that claim to love Jesus?
Christians wear crosses, because they remind them of Jesus. ... bracelets too. Yet these same Christians make the Sabbath meaningless, and the feasts too. God ordained these things, and not the bracelets ... yet many seem to be going out of their way to disturb and cast aspersions upon these things. Yet these are the things that symbolize Jesus as revealed in scripture. Why treat them as something shameful to practice?

Ripening,
Trent
Permalink 05/08/07 @ 21:45
Comment from: Pam [Member]
Hey Guys,

Jesus is my Sabbath, just as He is my sacrifice. I can't even keep one law so that means I've broken them all. Under the Law, I am cursed to die. Jesus became that curse for me and died on the cross and paid that curse for me. In Christ, I no longer need to live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Christ has fulfilled all of the Law for me. As He died for me, He also lives for me. I no longer live for myself, I live for Jesus and every day has become the Lord's Day for what-so-ever I eat, drink, or do, I do as unto the Lord. There are no days that belong to me all of my days belong to God and whatever is set before me to do that day is the work that God has preordained for me to do and He is to be glorified in it all.

These days, I go to church on Saturday too but that is just the way things have worked out. Church doesn't necessarily equal the work of the LORD either. Many worhsip on Saturday wishing to glorify themselves in the eyes of others and many worship on Sunday for the same reasons and Wednesday...

Jesus is my Sabbath. The Law is but a tutor and when we are in Christ, we no longer need a tutor.

Pam
Permalink 05/08/07 @ 22:13
Comment from: Pam [Member]
Good morning, Ambree,

I have made comments in my life that I wish could be deleted, lol! I hope that when we all reach the bottom of this there will be understanding and maybe even unity.

Pam
Permalink 05/09/07 @ 09:35
Comment from: Len [Visitor] · http://www.myspace.com/lenbenherehear
WE ARE NOT SAVED BY OBEDIENCE, ... but WE ARE saved to serve and obey.

Think about it.

And this too:
NO ONE IS INFALLIBLE, ... especially when it comes to controversial interpretations.

JESUS IS SAVIOR AND THE LORD.
Permalink 05/09/07 @ 12:05
Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
Everyone! You are not understanding! The Lord our God has spoken to me. I did not ask Him to, neither did I want Him to. It has cost me much in my life. Yet I would give Him all that is left, even my life if He required it.
So listen closely with ears open:
I am the Lord's prophet and the Words I post that are marked "[God] or [Jesus]" are just that, God or Jesus speaking NOT me and should be followed. Do not rely on your own interpretation or preconceived notions of what you THINK the Word should be, neither trust in the doctrines of men. NEITHER go round about, or justify, or rationalize, nor try to explain away any command of God for the sake of disobedience. This is vanity and pride even the subtle deception of satan.

Who wants us to disobey God?!
Who wants us to seek our OWN way?!
Who wants us not to see the greater glory?!
Who wants us to follow men, even ourselves, and not God?!
Who wants us to think we are more righteous than God?!...

Shall we teach God and be His counselor according to our own slothful arrogance?!

I love you all, yes, even you Ambree and apoligize for deleting your last comment. That was not my place.
But you all must understand. If I am the Lord's prophet and you continue to argue, debate and disobey, not giving heed to the Lord's correction, where, beloved sisters and brothers, does that leave you and what have you made Jesus?! I know you say you love Him, but in your disobedience, saying "I am in Christ and so I can do as I please and not obey, because Jesus has released me from obedience to God." WOE! I say to you! Is Jesus the Author of sin?!
He IS the fulfillment of all things and He is also the upholder of all that is written. He Himself saying "I came to fulfill, not to destroy." Has Jesus destroyed the Law of His own Father?!(only the "laws" found in ordinances have passed away, having been nailed to the cross of Christ as the apostle Paul said) Has He changed the Law and the Sabbath Day without telling us?! Beloved, the Law stands forever with both Jesus and The Father testifying to this. Yet you seek to usurp the the Law by your own authority and by your own understanding and then saying Jesus made it ok to do so?! Blasphemy! If the Lord says to obey, then obey. He has never said not to...men and satan have said this! And it will not stand in the Day of Judgment, that comes quickly upon the whole world.

You are children in your understanding and have become Lord's unto yourselves. Repent of these things and return to Him you say you love; and by your obedience will that love be made perfect.
Brothers and sisters, know you not that you fight against God and not me?
You must decide if I speak the Truth as I hear from God or decide that I am false and shun me, but stop tempting the Lord by all your debates and foolish talking. Error on the side of caution.
I am not a Bible expert, I am only a babe in the faith. So I have only repeated that which I heard from God and gave it to all of you as a gift, yet you continually try to return it and cast it away as though the devil had laid it at your doorstep.
I have spoken to much already so I will let the Lord speak for Himself in my next few post regarding His will toward those, who will not obey, and those who do rebel against His Word and His correction. For His ways are not ours. For if He says you are saved then you are, for He alone sees the beginning and the end and knows everyones hearts, yet did you honestly think He would not correct and discipline those He loves and stay silent before His return?!
And so those who refuse His Words and give not heed to His correction will be left unto refinement in the Day of the Lord. And there they shall be saved, as it were, having been refined by fire...no impurities found. And I shall be there with them. One of a 144,000 workers in the field sent to gather the second harvest, the wild wheat.
I hear you now saying, " now we know Timothy is crazy. Only that you can decide. For I have only obeyed and believed the voice of the Lord, who has told me all these things. I am not famous, neither do I have any followers, neither have I made any money from all this. In fact I have used up all my own means to spread this message. And by the power of the Lord it has, in only a year and a half's time reached over 1.4 million souls, yet none of these know who I am, except those very few friends and family members that believe. So here I am, broke and hated. There are even those among my community who want to kill me. Yet I stand firm and will not yeild.

So again, shall the Lord gather those, who speak against Him and hold fast to their own pride and seek all ways to cast His Word from them?! He shall not gather them! For these who call of themselves Christians, yet refuse to hear, are the wild wheat and shall by no means take part in the first harvest, unless per chance they humble themselves and listen to what the Lord is saying to the churches. They will be left unto the second harvest.
The Lord must try or refine His people as He tried or refined Israel in the days of Moses...
THE LORD DOES NOT CHANGE!

Brothers and sisters, the gate is very narrow and it is the Lord's gate, not ours. Jesus is that gate and He has opened it for us and we will surely enter when He sees of Himself fully established in us.
I tell you all I have spoken and posted is true! And if you choose to not accept these words and especially those Words in my next post, it is upon your own heads, I have given you the message and the warning... I have blown the Trumpet the Lord has given me to blow. It is now up to you to heed or cover your ears. Let your "yeas" be "yea" or turn away and let your "nays" be "nay". Do not come to me continually with your "yes, but I think" I will not answer. THE WORD OF THE LORD IS THE WORD OF THE LORD. You do not argue with the Lord. If you will not receive, there is nothing more I can do, then I have done already. I have given you all the verses you need to test me, yet you will not read them nor receive them as they were meant to be understood and followed because of man's doctrine in you. Stop segregating the Word of the Lord for your own ends to hang on to your error. This perverse an contemptable in the sight of the Lord. The Word of the Lord STANDS and requires NO strength all from any man to stand. Only SINCERE questions of FAITH will I answer and seek greater understanding, with you, in the Scriptures of Truth....
I am only the Lord's servant, His messenger, His prophet.

For greater understanding of the Lord's will in these final days read ALL of my next post, if you have ears, to hear, what the Lord says to those who call of themselves Christian and to the churches, who claim the same.

In Christ's service,
Timothy
Permalink 05/09/07 @ 13:20
Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
Ambree, Rather it is your understanding that is incomplete and in error.
The Lords speaks to me and He can not be in error, only people and their doctrines and misinterpretations of Scripture are in error. If you go to my website and read the Holy Days Bible studies and all of the study above you would see the true glory of these Sabbaths and why you should keep them.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus is the end of ALL those things, rather men have told you this.
Only those ordinances such as sacrifice were done away in Christ, all else He fulfills and upholds and establishes. He came not to destroy but to fulfill.
If the Lord said "forever" then forever we shall keep them. Even in Zech. God said we shall keep the Feasts of Tabernacles in the Kingdom; and Jesus said we will still keep Passover in the Kingdom, though He is the fulfillment of Passover. And will bring the meaning of Tabernacles to fulfillment shortly. The Lord says we will still keep these days forever and even in the Kingdom. By no means have they passed away they are part of the perpetual covenant as is the Law of the 10 Commandments. Rather the New Covenant is a covenant of Salvation from sin, which is the breaking of God's commands... To disobey God is sin.
So then you are in error and do not understand the whole picture, nor of the greater glory of Scripture that the Lord is both trying to show and correct you.
Why do you not want to honor the Lord in the very way He Himself said to honor Him which brings you into a much deeper understanding of the glory of the Lords Word in Christ and of the very Plan of the Ages in the Salvation of mankind?
Everything in the Letters are in line with the Bible, but will be out of line and against the churches and the doctrines of men.
Your arrogance is what keeps your ears from hearing the truth. Shall you teach God?!
I can not convince you I can only tell you in all soberness that I am the Lord's prophet and it is Him speaking in the Letters I post.

P.S. The Lord Jesus is not finished...He comes quickly to fulfill all that yet remains and that which is written in Revelation and by the prophets concerning the latter days.
Permalink 05/09/07 @ 19:30
Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
Here is wisdom:

[Jesus]
Now listen and have understanding, so you may fulfill My command for you. The Bible was written, and all who were of Abraham listened to its meaning. Even then, the New Testament and Gospel was, and yet was not, and was yet to come. So then, to the peoples of the day in where My apostles proclaimed the Gospel, then that which already existed was born into the world as the New Testament. Was it, at that time, accepted as the Bible? Was it the Old Testament?...No. It was the New Testament...never before heard, published or read. Was it not accepted as the Bible containing the Old News of the prophets that had now become fulfilled in the New News or Good News, by those of the Truth? Was it then the Old Testament?...No. Did it agree with the Old Testament?...Yes, but not completely, for many doctrines of the Old Testament passed away in that day and were made new, of a greater glory, through a greater understanding, because now the Word was with men.
Again, I send out My prophets and apostles to announce My coming and to correct and guide those who wait eagerly for Me. They also speak the Gospel and the Final Testament. Do their words agree with the Bible?...Yes! For their words are My words; as are the words of your Bible, My words. Much of what they say you have already heard. Also will they proclaim that which you have not heard, nor understood, because of man’s doctrine within you. So what My modern prophets speak is new to many, but is still in agreement with those who went before. If then, the time has come for the Trumpet Call to sound, and God the Father has poured out His spirit upon the whole world, why have you not cupped your ears and listened with all attentiveness? Cast off your shackles, and hear what the Spirit says. Hear Him in spirit, and cast off the spirit of men.

My Spirit has spoken through all generations...in its steadfastness and quiet.
The time has come, and is already here, and is yet come,
when all shall be shaken with the mighty voice of the Most High!

Humbles yourselves, and worship your God as He really is. Amen.
Permalink 05/09/07 @ 21:37
Comment from: Pam [Member]
Good morning, Timothy,

I won't be around much today but there is one point that I think is lurking beneath the surface that needs answering, I think.

When someone speaks of a later day prophet and in particular, one who claims to write the very word of God, we can't help but think of other such men who have made that claim as well. Both Muhammed and Joseph Smith claimed to write the word of God but in the end, their words were held as to supercede the Bible. In strict Islamic cultures the Bible is held as contraband even though the religious leaders are allowed to read it and they teach that Jesus will sit upon the Judgement seat. The Koran also repeats much of what the Bible teaches but with an entirely different outcome. There are also many men calling themselves prophets these days and vaunting themselves as something. In light of all this, anyone who just accepted everything you say about yourself without question, would be foolish.

When you say that what you write is equal with the Bible, how do you see people who accept you and your teachings using your writings in comparison with the Bible? Why do we need more written word when what we currently have has been sufficient for centuries and all that has been added to it found to be false?

That is enough questions for today. I hope you all have a good and productive day, one in which the Will of God is clearly manefest.

Pam
Permalink 05/10/07 @ 10:50
Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
Ambree,

Answer: Completion - Yes / Termination - No

Romans 10:4

"Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."


Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 "I am come NOT to DESTROY the Law or the prophets: I am come NOT to destroy, but to fulfill"

Therefore, the interpretation that Jesus is the "end" or "termination" of the Law is in error, for these two verses cannot contradict one another. Rather, Jesus is the FULFILLMENT, COMPLETION, PURPOSE ("end") of the Law.
In Strong's Concordance, "end" refers to a "result [immed., ultimate or prophetic], purpose" - "end". We know it can NOT be "termination", unless we make Jesus a liar. For instance, in another place, Jesus said, "It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one letter of the Law to fail." (Luke 16:17) And throughout the Bible, it shows us that the Law stands forever, and even saying that the Holy Days shall be kept forever (Ex. & Lev.). Does forever mean, NOT forever?! Is not the Word of God true forever as Jesus said again in John? Did not Paul also say 'ONLY those "laws", FOUND IN ORDINANCES, were nailed to the cross of Christ' (Eph. 2:15 & Col. 2:14)?

Not all words in your Bible mean what we as Americans would take them to mean. We must look deeper and read them within the context of the WHOLE Bible. comparing them with all similar and related verses for better understanding, knowing first, that which Jesus, Himself, said is true forever, for He is the Word; and from that premise, we must seek to understand the verses above, interpreting them within the context of the WHOLE NT and even the WHOLE of the Bible, OT very much included.
We must not take verses out of context as to make them fit with church doctrine or our preconceived notions of what we personally think the Word should be. Segregation of the Word is perverse and will lead us into more ungodliness.


Jesus fulfills, upholds, establishes and magnifies the Law in Himself, even giving us the power by His own Spirit to keep the Law if we would just obey and follow His example... Yea, He has even shown us the key to keeping the Law: "To love the Lord our God with all our heart, and mind, and with all our strength (This fulfills Commandments 1-4), and to love our neighbor as ourself (this fulfills Commandments 5-10)" For if we do this, obedience becomes effortless, because we do it not to gain salvation (we are saved by grace, through Jesus' blood). Rather, we do it because God has asked us to...because the Law is holy and for our benefit...

We keep the Law because of our love for the Father and because of the Son, even writing it on our hearts, if we would stop stifling the Spirit and cease from continually finding ways of going round about to justify our disobedience.

Simply repent, confess your wrong-doings against God and man, and "go and sin NO MORE" (Jn 8:11). For our forgiveness is assured. Do NOT betray that forgiveness and sacrifice by justifying sin and crucifying the Lord of Glory over and over in your hearts(Heb. 6:6)...

To disobey God is sin and sin is defined by the Law (Rom. 7:7 & 1 Jn 3:4).

"Do we then make void the Law through faith? God forbid: yea we establish the Law." (Romans 3:31)

"Wherefore the Law is holy, and the Commandment holy, and just and good." (Romans 7:12)

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law." (1 John 3:4)

"And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His Word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself to walk as He walked." (1 John 2:3-6)
Permalink 05/11/07 @ 09:42
Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
Pam,

Pam, I have built no tall tower by pride. I have only told you the truth from Scripture and that which God has spoken to me, yet you compare me to Joseph Smith and Isalm's false prophet. One who knowing corrupted the Word of God to serve his own desires and the other deceived by satan himself, appearing to him as himself, an angel, lieing, saying he was sent by God and that he was the angel Gabreil.

I do not serve myself, I have gained nothing at all; and for being deceived: all I have written by the mouth of the Lord is in line with Scripture and brings glory to Christ's name. Even every Scripture (which I provided for you to test me) that shows what a true prophet is, describes all I have done in the Lord's service; and not one Scripture shows me false. Rather you and all these against me lack understanding and will not hear and do tread the line, comparing that given by God to these false prophets of blasphemy.
You also asked me why do we need a prophet when all is written in the Bible. Has God ever stopped sending His prophets?
This saying all have said to each prophet that has ever been saying, "the Bible is complete we do not need you". This is not why God has sent me to complete the some missing part of the Bible. He sent me to give warning and to correct, with His own words, all these children who have gone out of the way seeking any and all ways to go round about, even using Jesus for an excuse for their continued sin and pride.
Look at the churches are they NOT need of correction? What of all these lukewarm Christians, even all these "Christians" who are not Christians at all? Shall the Lord not correct and discipline even all Christians and peoples so they may be gathered?
Stop fighting against the Lord and those He has sent to you. Test me! by the Scriptures. I have even provided the Scriptures you need in my "Discernment of True and False Prophets" Bible study all of which contains Scripture only.
Permalink 05/11/07 @ 15:37
Comment from: travis [Visitor]
what about colossians 2:14-17.... you give taht verse, but you take it out of context of the others.... check yourself
Permalink 12/20/07 @ 08:39
Comment from: travis [Visitor]
it clesarly is rivaling what you are saying about the sabboth.... is it the day or is it the idea that is important because like you said and the bible says the sabboth was made for men and not men for the sabboth. The idea and principle of the sabboth are more important than the day itself.
Permalink 12/20/07 @ 08:44
Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
Travis, you are confusing the "laws"/requirements/ceremonies found in ordinances with The Law of the Ten Commandments, which stand forever.

Col 2:14 -
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Ordinances:
Hebrews 9:8-14
8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience-- 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, F36 with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Permalink 12/27/07 @ 18:08
Comment from: Timothy [Member] · http://www.TrumpetCallofGodOnline.com
IS JESUS THE "END" OF THE LAW?!

Answer: Completion - Yes / Termination - No

To everyone, who is confused here:

You are confusing the laws found in ordinances with the Law of the Ten Commandments.

The laws in Ordinances are the "laws" Jesus is the "end" of...ONLY these were nailed to the cross of Christ, says the Apostle Paul.

The Law of the Ten Commandments stand forever!



Romans 10:4

"Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."

Matthew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall DO and TEACH them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." ~ Jesus



Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 "I am come NOT to DESTROY the Law or the prophets: I am come NOT to destroy, but to fulfill"

Therefore, the interpretation that Jesus is the "end" or "termination" of the Law is in error, for these verses cannot contradict one another. Rather, Jesus is the FULFILLMENT, COMPLETION, PURPOSE ("end") of the Law.
In Strong's Concordance, "end" refers to a "result [immed., ultimate or prophetic], purpose" - "end". We know it can NOT be "termination", unless we make Jesus a liar. For instance, in another place, Jesus said, "It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one letter of the Law to fail." (Luke 16:17)t the Bible, it shows us that the Law stands forever, and even saying that the Holy Days shall be kept forever (Ex. & Lev.). Does forever mean, NOT forever?! Is not the Word of God true forever as Jesus said again in John? Did not Paul also say 'ONLY those "laws", FOUND IN ORDINANCES, were nailed to the cross of Christ' (Eph. 2:15 & Col. 2:14)?

Not all words in your Bible mean what we as Americans would take them to mean. We must look deeper and read them within the context of the WHOLE Bible. comparing them with all similar and related verses for better understanding, knowing first, that which Jesus, Himself, said is true forever, for He is the Word; and from that premise, we must seek to understand the verses above, interpreting them within the context of the WHOLE NT and even the WHOLE of the Bible, OT very much included.
We must not take verses out of context as to make them fit with church doctrine or our preconceived notions of what we personally think the Word should be. Segregation of the Word is perverse and will lead us into more ungodliness.


Jesus fulfills, upholds, establishes and magnifies the Law in Himself, even giving us the power by His own Spirit to keep the Law if we would just obey and follow His example... Yea, He has even shown us the key to keeping the Law: "To love the Lord our God with all our heart, and mind, and with all our strength (This fulfills Commandments 1-4), and to love our neighbor as ourself (this fulfills Commandments 5-10)" For if we do this, obedience becomes effortless, because we do it not to gain salvation (we are saved by grace, through Jesus' blood). Rather, we do it because God has asked us to...because the Law is holy and for our benefit...

We keep the Law because of our love for the Father and because of the Son, even writing it on our hearts, if we would stop stifling the Spirit and cease from continually finding ways of going round about to justify our disobedience.

Simply repent, confess your wrong-doings against God and man, and "go and sin NO MORE" (Jn 8:11). For our forgiveness is assured. Do NOT betray that forgiveness and sacrifice by justifying sin and crucifying the Lord of Glory over and over in your hearts(Heb. 6:6)...

To disobey God is sin and sin is defined by the Law (Rom. 7:7 & 1 Jn 3:4).

"Do we then make void the Law through faith? God forbid: yea we establish the Law." (Romans 3:31)

"Wherefore the Law is holy, and the Commandment holy, and just and good." (Romans 7:12)

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law." (1 John 3:4)

"And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His Word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself to walk as He walked." (1 John 2:3-6)


"By this we know we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep His Commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His Commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous." (1 John 5:2-3)
Permalink 12/27/07 @ 18:10

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